hi.. i've been a jw for 15 years, have pioneered, been where the need is great, etc.
up until a couple of years ago, i was considered strong in the truth.
but then i had my first and only episode of major depression.
Isn't ironic that real, practical and truthful help is being extended here on this forum and not through a prattling organization?
Troubled, I am a former CO/DO with many decades of "service," and I can assure you that you are just like literally thousands of persons whom I've met. The Society will tut-tut and blame local elders, but we know where the blame lies. It's not with you.
Amazing, isn't it? Troubled gets real love here.
"By your fruits you will be known."
Maximus
a major news organization is in final process of preparing a tv program addressing the issues raised by silentlambs.
its producers and investigator reporters wish to be fair and unbiased, and are seeking broad input and insight.. another such organization has been attracted to the child abuse issue but does not wish to duplicate what's covered.
they are in the initial stages of examining the blood issue and that of enforced shunning and its consequences, in the light of human rights issues globally.
This will serve to unbury the post and add something based on my mail.
Click on the envelope to the left to see my hotmail address, and feel free to use it; others are. Authentic COs/DOs have no trouble in identifying themselves; it is easy to spot the fakes. A quick response to mail:
I perhaps did not make it clear that I myself am involved with both presentations. I would not do so unless it were being done thoroughly, with input from Brooklyn as well. A real question is, "Since no one wants to protect pedophiles, why the code of silence?" "Why the appeal to protect the organization, to avoid reproach on Jehovah's name?" That area can still use input and insight. By the way, do remember the offical teaching is that Jehovah's name does not need to be "vindicated."
The door to your input will close soon, one program is wrapping up.
I strongly urge you to take a look at the thread "So Confused" by "troubled" this morning. Not exactly unfamiliar to you, is it? You see huge numbers of persons just like that, and this sweet person thinks she is all alone. You know better. If you are reading this, you are not blaming the elders or yourself. You know where the problem lies.
It is easy to look at other religious organizations and generalize "they have the same problem." Let me tell you that the lowliest janitor in most churches has to take a course in sexual harassment and abuse issues. One major denomination insists that anyone on any committee or who does any kind of teaching also take such enlightened training. The simple rule is: NO SECRETS
For one inquirer: Yes, I am continuing to supply my own personal information and input; I am no mere vehicle. As to 'you show me yours and I'll show you mine,' that's a done deal.
I really wish the organization had revisited the issue, got rid of the legalism, and said, 'Our policy has been well meaning in intent but unChristian in point of fact in some egregious cases. We're working at changing that.' Who could argue well with that? Instead they are pulling up the drawbridges over the moat, insulating themselves yet further.
And they worry about decreases? How many of your wives say to you, "Something is not right in the organization." What is indeed impeding the free flow of holy spirit."
You are in my prayers,
Maximus
Field service not too satisfying today, apparently? Shame on me for the cheap jibe. I'm quite sympathetic, I know how you feel.
here is a site that looks at the russell's .
http://www.newnetizen.com/globalelite/bloodlines/russellbloodline.htm.
the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessiarly represent those of the wtb&ts inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations..
:: Maximus is faker then a 3 toed troll
Will he think? You obviously have not. You make it easy for the Society to point to sites like this as demonstrable trash.
Learned long ago that when you wrestle in the mud with a pig, there comes a point when you understand the pig enjoys it.
You are a total jerk, and I don't truck with jerks.
Maximus
please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .
"once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.
they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.
All of the above. Right on, waiting!
Max
*** w58 8/1 478 questions from readers ***.
questions from readers.
one of jehovahs witnesses who claims to be of the anointed remnant recently went to the hospital and took a blood transfusion, voluntarily.
Libby, you have put your finger on something few realize.
From Day One, there has been an internal battle over the blood issue.
You are picking up language used by someone who was not a hardliner.
Clearly God does not dictate words to Watchtower writers.
Maximus
please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .
"once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.
they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.
:: Could the author of this particular article really believe the thought applies to "Christendom" and not Jehovah's Earthly Organization?
Absolutely not. The writer knew exactly what he was doing.
Maximus
a major news organization is in final process of preparing a tv program addressing the issues raised by silentlambs.
its producers and investigator reporters wish to be fair and unbiased, and are seeking broad input and insight.. another such organization has been attracted to the child abuse issue but does not wish to duplicate what's covered.
they are in the initial stages of examining the blood issue and that of enforced shunning and its consequences, in the light of human rights issues globally.
A major news organization is in final process of preparing a TV program addressing the issues raised by silentlambs. Its producers and investigator reporters wish to be fair and unbiased, and are seeking broad input and insight.
Another such organization has been attracted to the child abuse issue but does not wish to duplicate what's covered. They are in the initial stages of examining the blood issue and that of enforced shunning and its consequences, in the light of human rights issues globally. Child abuse will also receive full attention but not be the primary focus.
Some have written me expressing concern about "balanced presentation." This is your opportunity to input either directly or through me. Your confidentiality is insured; I will protect it fiercely and so will they. My hotmail and system are protected against crackers.
Two of you have written me, asking that I delete your hotmail or yahoo address each time we correspond, as well as not keeping copies. I have done so, as I have assured you, and will be happy to do it again.
While you know that the organization is not susceptible to outside "reform" attempts, it has a history of ultimately paying attention to the pressing needs in the field.
Whatever your viewpoint, you are being offered a unique opportunity.
To gain insight on me personally, please see the thread "GB Split Over Policy vs. Blood."
Sincerely,
Maximus
here's a question i always wanted answered during the years i was a witness.
what's the best way to stay awake during the watchtower study?
oh, furthermore, what's the best way to stay awake during any witness "snooze-a-thon" brainwashing session?
Just wanted to tell you how delighted I am to see you posting.
Warmest regards,
Maximus
today's history lesson .... fred franz discredited a "governing body".
the last page of the february 1, 1976, watchtower, was devoted to a notification entitled "governing body adjustments.
and so that's what happened with philip, how he became an evangelizer.
Not surprisingly, however, it was the inimitable Frederick who laid out the theological groundwork for the change, in the Watchtower. (Recall that the term then was merely "governing body," without capitalization--says much.) He told this inquirer that it was his loyal duty to insure the organization's survival; he had attempted to stimulate it with the 1975 speculation, of course.
We now have men not of the anointed but who have "taken the lead" in directing JW activity for a half century--as Don Adams and others, some of who are not directors of any of the corporations. What distinguishes current governing body members from corporate directors is not their organizational experience, depth of spirituality or particular wisdom. It's the fact they partake of the emblems yearly.
With grey-headed ones dying off, and replacement by younger members who have not had the vast experience of these OS mentioned, there is a perception problem among observers. Do these men evidence the gravitas for such weighty decisions as come before the GB? One way to solve it is to say that the governing body is in fact that group of individuals at the top who are taking the lead, whether OS or A. Watch Fred's Gilead argumentation employed again one day.
RW, I'm sure you know by now which of those original committees is still viable and functioning, despite smooth assurances that everything is just the same, with the GB focussing on the preaching work.
I'm waiting for Part II.
Warmly,
Max
please read the following brief paragraph carefully: .
"once again, the ruling ecclesiastical class suppressed efforts to make gods word available to their flock.
they violently silenced a voice that pointed to some of the errors of their non-biblical beliefs.
:: Because of their exclusive nature, most of us aren’t privy to these sorts of insider subtleties, and they tend to border on the esoteric. If there is some sort of point here that’s being missed, would you please be more direct about it.
Painfully aware of what you say. No, you've got the point, but I'll go further with an example. There are good men who chafe at a flawed blood policy that is fraught with legalisms and is patently inconsistent to all who give it more than a casual glance. It is accreted policy rather than Bible teaching, Talmudic in its very nature.
Without putting too fine a point on it, that there is no unanimity over the blood policy among the governing body and top decision-makers; rather, very hard feelings have developed. Obviously this is one of many areas regarding the heart and soul of the organization and where it will go post the "generation" doctrine jettison.
The blood policy is yet more glaringly inconsistent to anyone who knows "the four major components" are not made up by physiologists or physicians, they are strictly artificial invention of the Society rabbis. The two-witness rule on pedophiles is horribly unenlightened, but the legalists are clinging to it. The brutal results of non-Biblical enforced shunning are very worrisome to many inside. You understand ...
I hope I have helped persons see "the Society" as not monolithic. In no way am I apologetic, I'm just offering insight.
Only this morning was I apprised of the death of a young child due to an "inadvertent air embolism" while the cardiovascular surgeon was playing the forced game of keeping blood in circuit. You'd be amazed at what surgeons have to do in in the OR regarding "semantics and nitpicking," as one surgeon noted.
Wonder how Dunsscot would feel about THAT risk/benefit, the very REAL, non-theoretical death of a child, not from some tainted blood, but from a higher risk procedure to satisfy Society rabbis rather than their own internal witness-bearer. I find him woefully uninformed about the medical aspects of blood. That's not his fault, because the Society's emphasis from the beginning has been on the medical rather than scriptural.
I confess I got emotional at reading this article, thinking of men I know who have vision and insight and have struggled for years, particularly those still inside. I'll cease rambling.
Max
