it was recently pointed out in another thread, the business mode of certain organizations to persuade people who have accrued a substantial estate to turn their holdings over to the organization in return for which the organization agrees to support them with a certain agreed income for the remainder of their life.
the advantage for the organization comes with investing the money in stock or bond funds for an anticipated higher return than they expect to pay to the invester/doner, as well as getting the whole thing after the investor dies without any inheritance penalty.
(is this a fair statement of the issue?).
What hurts me, Ros, is the little old folks with crumpled $1 and $5 bills they could hardly spare, putting them in a contribution box for "the preaching work." Paying/donating for literature to fulfill a misguided application of Jesus' charge to "preach." It's expensive these days.
For years even the fact of investing money in the market was a dark secret, and many oldtimers will not believe it.
I'll just watch this develop. Thanks for being persistent.
Max
i thought you might like to see a fax i just sent to j. r. brown.
you can also pick it up on the front page of the website, you may also read and download the complaint that states the basis of this lawsuit.
run wt run...... silentlambs.
Let me see, is that THE Jeff Anderson, with all the notches on his belt?
: This church seems to think they are above the law the rules do not apply to them. This case is simply about making Jehovah’s Witnesses understand they have the same rules as everyone else when it comes to protecting our children.”
What's that scripture about evil doing its business in secret, but when God applies justice it will be done "from the rooftops"?
Maximus
joel, i want you to know i can think of no other poster who shows as much humanity, as much compassion and insight as you, particularly when it comes to the human condition.. thank you for sharing yourself and your journey so openly; i'm grateful for that.
you obviously have picked up many helpful tools in your recovery toolkit, and when you not only share them with us but show how to use them, how they can benefit us, we are the richer.. i need not say more, than that you are loved very much.. maximus.
who once in a while learns from joel a leeeetle more than he needed to, but what else is new?
Joel, I want you to know I can think of no other poster who shows as much humanity, as much compassion and insight as you, particularly when it comes to the human condition.
Thank you for sharing yourself and your journey so openly; I'm grateful for that. You obviously have picked up many helpful tools in your recovery toolkit, and when you not only share them with us but show how to use them, how they can benefit us, we are the richer.
I need not say more, than that you are loved very much.
Maximus
Who once in a while learns from Joel a leeeetle more than he needed to, but what else is new?
dateline-"soon!anydaynow!justaroundthecorner!".
just read bendrr's post.. been out of the loop for awhile.. what's the deal with this so-called piece/expose on jw-pedophilia.
that nbc's "dateline" is supposed to be airing?.
Mad, now I know why the moniker!
Try Congrats with a <grin>. It was I who supplied you the information you asked about circuit assemblies. Period.
Aren't my sparse words above a long way from accusing you of being a troll?
Methinks the person doth protest overmuch.
I certainly made no such accusations. Rather than reply in kind, let me just say your response is completely inappropriate. Your post reveals more about you than it does about me.
Cordially,
Max
Cheerfully leaving this thread, not to return
dateline-"soon!anydaynow!justaroundthecorner!".
just read bendrr's post.. been out of the loop for awhile.. what's the deal with this so-called piece/expose on jw-pedophilia.
that nbc's "dateline" is supposed to be airing?.
: How could Farkel tell Tallyman about this whole SilentLambs thing back last summer when Bowen was then still a loyal JDub (PO no less), since he didn't resign and start this whole thing until January of this year?
That is an assumption which adds 2+2 and gets 9. For a guy who didn't know how many conventions and what they were, etc., you've gotten up to speed quite remarkably with your lingo, I would say! Congrats.
Max
i never cease to be amazed at the quality of thoughtful mail many of us get.
one question that keeps coming up is in regards to sourcing in-depth reference material.
i regularly cite the nourishment for the spirit thread.
My apologies to you for any indication your own apology was appropriate, HS!
Likely good it worked out this way.
There are no rules here, and one may be treated to a public display of an acid trip, unrelenting vulgarity and coarseness, yet read a treatise on OT sexuality that is as good as a PhD dissertation. Freedom, ain't it grand?
There are many individuals who are carefully reading related threads who do not want to comment on another's admittedly speculative viewpoint, but who would rather make up their own minds beyond their individual moral compass. I agree with them that opinions can be easily shaped in this hazardous media that should have a "caveat emptor" warning. Watchtower tecnique has been to quibble with words so badly that major issues are overlooked.
I'm grateful for the additional reference, the additional crisp thoughts that help put matters in context. Most important is your exposition of the thought processes that allow such shameful stuff as the Awake! article. About like praising the woman who had been stabbed but went to a meeting anyway.
What also delights is that I see so many desiring to using their own skills to learn, grow and develop their own conscience.
Ozzie also cuts all the underbrush and gets to the essentials.
Max
HS, I really wanted to write more about the appeal to Confucian thought by Watchtower. See Kent's thread, my comments about GB and moral guidance.
i never cease to be amazed at the quality of thoughtful mail many of us get.
one question that keeps coming up is in regards to sourcing in-depth reference material.
i regularly cite the nourishment for the spirit thread.
HS notes
: Contracts of secrecy
In four decades of experience with the JW judicial process, I have seen the gamut from thoughtful sensitivity to outright criminal behavior. The Society takes the tut-tut attitude, "If elders would just do it the way we tell them, things would be fine." They ignore the code of silence they have knowingly encouraged and fostered.
What they fail to see, is that these elder judges are products of a very flawed system; the very creation of the hierarchy, shaped and molded to protect "the organization" at all costs, under the guise of "not bringing reproach on Jehovah's name." As if doctrinal practices like Child Blood Abuse (CBA) were not reprehensible!
Sensitive men are weeded out, legalistic robots are rewarded. Natural selection has taken its toll. The very publication of the Awake! article HS notes should cause one to think deeply about what kind of persons would print praise for such ugly amoral thought .
Are they correct in saying "we do not shield the molester"? Of course they are. Translation: if the law finds out, we don't intervene. The question is, How does the law find out? Obviously does not address needs of a victim and family.
The code of silence feeds into gross injustices. HS correctly fingers what it really is, a "contract of secrecy." That's my precise opinion too.
I had no intention of starting a thread, but if is useful, have at it. I choose not to get into more/some distinctions. Court review? Sooner than you think.
Maximus
i just learned something from a post on the old h2o that has me steaming!.
(some of us still occasionally post there, including--bless his heart--kent.).
according to one poster, there seems to be something reallllly steaming at bethel since 1997 (assuming the guy knows what he's alluding).
So you got to meet the great Chuck Leibensperger, did you? <grin>
Too long since we had that lunch together. It's been a delight to see the family members here too.
If you want to share that binder, let me know.
Warmest,
Max
i never cease to be amazed at the quality of thoughtful mail many of us get.
one question that keeps coming up is in regards to sourcing in-depth reference material.
i regularly cite the nourishment for the spirit thread.
I never cease to be amazed at the quality of thoughtful mail many of us get. One question that keeps coming up is in regards to sourcing in-depth reference material. I regularly cite the Nourishment for the Spirit thread.
If you would like to explore discussion regarding clergy/penitent privilege extended all churches that practice sacramental confession, you might want to read the paperback
Confidentiality and clergy: Churchs, Ethics and the Law,
William Rankin, Morehouse Publishing, 1990
$10.00
If you want to examine the issues from a more general
perspective of legal aspects and history, in greater detail
Religious Organizations and the Law, Vol. 2
William W. Bassett, West Group Publishing, 1997
$264.95
ISBN: 0836611195
Most of us are so steeped in the monolithic viewpoint it is hard to recognize that there is a great variance among priests--recall the USA Today article that appeared on this board recently. We are quick to think in terms of rigid policy.
Many individual states exempt child abuse from the clergy/penitent privilege that is awarded to the confessional. Not all priests recognize the reservation of that privilege in the first place.
***A reminder may be in order that if you put someone's e-mail address in your book and send out forwarded mail to everyone in it, MSN hotmail may toss it into the Bulk folder. (Translation: Max can use this as an excuse if he misses something.)
This is not to add to threads already ongoing, just to inform. I'll bump it from time to time for awhile.
Maximus
hello brothers and sisters,.
i just can't understand what is wrong with you, and why you have fallen away.
dear brother russell got this whole thing started.
I don't know, larc. You quickly dispatched me in HALF a response. Insult to injury. I deserved my own message.
Englishman does this quiz program thing, with the answer
"What sort of dogs are these?"
I was the only one to give the correct question:
"What were Jezebel's last words."
Got no respect whatsoever.
At least you had the common decency with Duns not to say,
"Caca est." That would have been really succinct.
Max
Where is Quartz Eyes when you need him?
Tina, was that South Beach in Miami?
