Posts by RagingBull

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If I asked for a loan from the WBTS would they give it to me?

by objectivetruth in

if this were the "organization" that jesus chose in 1914.. err 1919, wouldn't the principles that he laid out while on earth apply to this organization as well?.

matthew 5:42 "give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.".

so if jw's all asked for loans from the org, every now and then, it would be the orgs responsibility to grant those loans (interest free).

RagingBull

They would suggest that you read articles about being shrewd and wise about money. Scriptures sited about how one should "count the cost". Basically, they'd make you feel guilty about, or the cause of your financial situation. Maybe topping it off by stating that you could "PRAY MORE" and leave it in "JEHOVAH'S HANDS".

At least the Mormons have warehouses stocked with materials and food for those of their faith that are struggling. The WTBTS doesn't even reimburse you for GAS in the Fieldministry of which THEY get all the "DONATIONS/PROFITS" thanks to your efforts.

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Real reason for new arrangement

by TweetieBird in

jw
friends

i apologize if this has already been covered, maybe someone can post the link.. what is the real reason for the society forgiving all loans for kingdom halls and just giving the money for new ones?.

RagingBull

Usually when a "Loan is fogiven" (in the US) the property (in this case) becomes a "GIFT" or "CASH ON DELIVER". The party on the receiving end will usually have to pay taxes for the amount that was remaining on the loan that they no longer have to pay.

So if a KH was built for $200,000 and the congregation paid $150,000 over the years and has the rest of the loan/debt "forgiven" the Congregation would have to pay taxes on $50,000 that was remaining. It would be as if they were actually given that money in cash.

Now...the WT is very slick about this...because most likely the congregation's KH is already the PROPERTY of the WTBTS. So they're forgiving a LOAN that really NEVER was a LOAN to begin with, and they're calling it something else now. While appearing to be the NICE, GOOD GUYS...they're really pulling off an ingenious plan.

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Convicted paedophile allowed to grill his victims at Jehovah's Witness meeting

by Sapphy in

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/convicted-paedophile-jonathan-rose-grilled-7151197.

oh my goodness, i'm so angry i can't even speak!

"women who complained that former jehovahs witness elder jonathan rose, 40, had molested them as children relived their nightmares in front of him after he was released from jail".

RagingBull

Just read the details of it on JWSurvey... wow!!! The attitude and heartlessness of the JWs is unbelievable. Such a cold, soul-less group.

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Interesting article!

by FL_Panthers in

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/entire-family-five-struck-lightning-3554852.

RagingBull

Guess someone lied.

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Is It Possible? Are They Retiring To Warwick?

by metatron in

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friends

i'm not making a bold assertion here, just pursuing an idea.

what would have to happen to prove that the watchtower is probably "packing it up", conceding the field, retiring to their new headquarters in senescent peace?.

the dramatic changes we have observed are mostly motivated by money or legal concerns - but not all, as with cutting back on meetings.. you could reasonably have an old guard that still fanatically hopes for armageddon, any day now, while younger men keep their doubts private.

RagingBull

Even if only 7 million of the ("almost 8 Million") publishers worldwide were to donate a max $20 US per month, the ORG would be taking in $140M PER MONTH. That would be around 1.6BILLION us Dollars ANNUALLY.

Ever heard of Bernie Madoff? I'm thinking this could be one of THOSE situations. Whoever's running things will be PAID.

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ELDER BOOK to be HANDED OVER to Min.of Justice (FINLAND)

by RagingBull in

jehovah's witnesses to hand over top-secret manualon friday finland's jehovah's witnesses will give their religious rule book to the minister of justice and the minister of the interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with finnish rule of law.

jehovah's witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the minister of justice, anna-maja henriksson, and the minister of the interior, paivi rasanen.

image: heikki saukkomaa / lehtikuva until now, only senior members of the jehovahs witnesses committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.. the disciplinary activities of the jehovah's witnesses committee have been criticised for violating human rights.. according to anna-maja henriksson, finland's minister of justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to finnish law.. henriksson and interior minister paivi rasanen met on thursday with the leadership of the jehovah's witnesses in helsinki.

RagingBull

@lambsbottom ... they're doing it because it's a HUMAN RIGHTS issue. That trumps RELIGIOUS RIGHTS! DON'T YOU THINK? maybe you don't.

In the middle east...a woman is about to be EXECUTED for "APOSTASY" (she's not MUSLIM)...that's THEIR religious view. DO YOU THINK THAT IS RIGHT?

What if your JOB held secret JUDICIARY meetings that could affect (not only your income) your social and private life...and because your family used their products or services, THEY were no longer able to COMMUNICATE with you?... you'd be fine with that?

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WT 2014 - 08 - 15 ..... but congregations are not required to do this.

by fastJehu in

you are older?

you have no pc or tablet?

you can't handle computers?.

RagingBull

I thought by now they would be issuing iPADS and other Tablets from the literature counter so that the DOMESTICS who fumble with bibles, bags and magazines can catch up to the well-to-do bros and sis' that beat them to the punch when trying to comment at meetings. Or see the lates CALEB video.

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ELDER BOOK surrender - FINLAND (also in Scandal/Coverups section)

by RagingBull in

jw
friends

jehovah's witnesses to hand over top-secret manualon friday finland's jehovah's witnesses will give their religious rule book to the minister of justice and the minister of the interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with finnish rule of law.

jehovah's witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the minister of justice, anna-maja henriksson, and the minister of the interior, paivi rasanen.

image: heikki saukkomaa / lehtikuva until now, only senior members of the jehovahs witnesses committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.. the disciplinary activities of the jehovah's witnesses committee have been criticised for violating human rights.. according to anna-maja henriksson, finland's minister of justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to finnish law.. henriksson and interior minister paivi rasanen met on thursday with the leadership of the jehovah's witnesses in helsinki.

RagingBull

FAT FREEK 2005, you just went on my list of favorite people in life! LOL AWESOME COMICS!

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ELDER BOOK to be HANDED OVER to Min.of Justice (FINLAND)

by RagingBull in

jehovah's witnesses to hand over top-secret manualon friday finland's jehovah's witnesses will give their religious rule book to the minister of justice and the minister of the interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with finnish rule of law.

jehovah's witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the minister of justice, anna-maja henriksson, and the minister of the interior, paivi rasanen.

image: heikki saukkomaa / lehtikuva until now, only senior members of the jehovahs witnesses committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.. the disciplinary activities of the jehovah's witnesses committee have been criticised for violating human rights.. according to anna-maja henriksson, finland's minister of justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to finnish law.. henriksson and interior minister paivi rasanen met on thursday with the leadership of the jehovah's witnesses in helsinki.

RagingBull

I've never seen a person (Like in the video) recover so quickly from a psychological breakdown and suicidal thoughts! AND THEN thanked the elders by baking COOKIES!!! (my hands raised to the ceiling...mouthing - not saying out loud - "THANK YOU JEHOVAAAAH!")

Next time the ELDERS give me counsel, I'll grill some burgers for them - NOT!

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BOE: Re: Midweek meetings during visit of circuit overseer

by pixel in

you read it here first!.

to all congregations.

re: midweek meetings during visit of circuit overseer .

RagingBull

Thank you!

I wonder why this is. Maybe they'll have an "elders' meeting" on the Thursday night, or move the Friday evening meeting for Elders and MS to Thursday so people can have a break between then and Saturday.