Rebel8, I loved the convention program. Very good work. Someone should dress like a JW and stand outside a convention and hand them out to the dubs as they walk in. Should be a great laugh for awhile until some elder runs out and stops it. LOL.
mcsemike
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Convention Report - Deliverance At Hand?
by daniel-p inso i just got back from the convention - yes, feel pity on me... i had to attend all three days, spend money on a crappy hotel, sleep in a crappy town, sit on my ass for 8 hours a day, and all just to hear about the same old crap you can read in any watchtower.
i didn't take notes because not only would my head have exploded from the sheer boredom and stupidity, but i would be responsible for all your heads exploding as well.
are there any highlights?
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*** WORLD CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE TRUTH ***
by Elsewhere inif what jehover's witnesses teach is true then there must be some sort of massive world wide conspiracy of religious leaders from all faiths and religions directed against the watchtower society.
there must literally be some sort of body of religious leaders who meet on a regular basis and say: "yes, we know the watchtower society has the truth, but it is up to us to lie to and deceive the six billion people on the earth into believing what *we* teach.".
one of my favorite ways of cornering a jehover's witness is by asking him point blank if he really, seriously, believes this.
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mcsemike
I'm not sure how many "Bible Students" there were in 1914, but I think it was less than 10,000. I once discussed with an elder if he thought that dozens of nations sat down in early 1914 and said, "We object to the large number and influence of these Bible Students. Let's do something about them, okay?" The nations then went to war with EACH OTHER, not the Bible Students, threw millions of men into the trenches to die, suffered millions more dead elsewhere, destroyed most of Europe, all just to keep Jesus from taking kingdom power!!
I don't know exactly what the elder said, but he had a dumb look on his face, and of course, no answer. When I read the WT's version of this scenario, it does tend to look a little ridiculous. I mean, do they honestly believe that the world leaders acted like I've just described? Just because a few thousand "oddballs" were disagreeing with the mainstream churches?? I don't think so.
As Terry has mentioned before, there is a certain psychological thread that runs through the WT and JW's that indicates that many, if not most, of them need several years of therapy. Delusional, persecution complex, "us against the world", and "we are so important that the nations are willing to spend billions of dollars, millions of lives, and destroy entire countries to oppose us" are just a few. I cannot conceive how any thinking JW today can accept this explanation. Thank you.
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Watchtower assaults its youth fear/guilt/baptism and career July 1, 2006
by truthseeker inif we imagined for one moment that the majority of youths get baptized, then the july 1, 2006 wt paints a very different picture.
there must be a serious problem in the organization for the society to write so strong an article.
july 1, 2006 wt youths, make it your choice to serve jehovah.
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mcsemike
It seems to me that a person should be 30 before they get baptized. Jesus was. Since the WT is so very fond of comparing everything they do to "types" and "antitypes", then they should be consistent here also. My daughter was raped by a JW around the age of ten. She is now 21. She is in NO way prepared mentally or emotionally to make such a decision. A decision that could cost her any sanity she has left, since ten years of therapy haven't helped as much as I hoped. My wife left me years ago because I quit this slut corporation and took my child. I haven't seen her in ages. I am shunned now by both of them. If my daughter got baptized now and then five years from now decided it was a mistake, or asked too many questions, or whatever, she would be DF'd and shunned. The strain would put her in the psych ward for the rest of her life. The minimum age should be 21, even if I don't compare what Jesus did. In all truth, the best age to get baptized is NEVER. You don't get "baptized", you make a legal contract with unethical businessmen who should be executed for child abuse, tax evasion, and a host of other crimes.
I brought this point up to an elder once about Jesus being 30 years old. He had no answer. I know why. The elders are just WT stooges who have the emotional need to feel superior to others since their secular jobs/lives are usually at a high school level. I know what I'm saying, I have a degree in Psychology.
To all you JW's lurking on this site: Wake up and smell the coffee!! You are wasting your lives. The sad irony is that you are too damn ignorant to even realize that you are ignorant. A vicious cycle that you will never break until you use your brains for the FIRST time in your lives.
End of line. (Yes, I'm also a computer engineer.)
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Jehovahs (Hidden) Message Revealed (Why no TV ministry?) Terry Walstrom
by Dogpatch injehovahs (hidden) message revealed
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mcsemike
I just went to the "official" WT web site. Unless I'm very mistaken, they have no provisions for emailing them. There is a "Contact US" link, but all it does is to let you enter your name, address, and best time to reach you. Why no email? Are they afraid of the flood of criticism or questions that would come streaming into NYC?? It makes you wonder. I also think it reinforces what others have said about the WT only wanting to conduct their "ministry" in a one-to-one basis because they have control. I mean, how would they answer all the emails if they offered that option? This way, they send a publisher to whoever filled out the "Contact Us" link and it's still in their control. Any thoughts? Thank you.
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Another reason the WTS doesn't want JWs on the net?
by Lady Lee inwe all pretty well understand that the wts tells jws that bing on the internet is dangerous to their spiritual standing because people on the net are controlled by satan
but... maybe there is a second reason.we also know that the wts believes if people read the wt literature they will come to the wrong conclusions.
people require someone to sit with them and read every paragraph of a wt book to make sure they understand the book in the right way.we know the website for the wts is pretty sanitized so people don't run off too quicklywe know there is no place on the wts' website for discussion.
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mcsemike
I think many good points have been made here regarding the internet and college (knowledge). Look what happened to "SickofLies" when he asked questions that the elders knew he had them dead to rights on. His "education" and "IQ" were attacked. If the WT is really a Bible-based organization, why can't it defend it's beliefs from JUST the Bible?? Why all the publications? And why would an elder say, "If the Watchtower says it, that's good enough for me!"??
Very sad that so many people who might mean well are so very ignorant of their OWN ignorance. What an irony!!
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SUMMER DISTRICT CONVENTION THREAD
by DannyHaszard infirst summer district convention press release by the watchtower
news results
page 1 of 292 results containing jehovah (0.05 seconds)
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mcsemike
I am SO glad to be out of this cult! I cannot believe they have the nerve to say the things they do. "Family oriented" and "pro-education"??? I knew 3 JW's who had a college degree out of hundreds. Care for the family? My wife left me because I objected to the WT's handling of my daughter's rape at the age of nine. Pro-education? I had three years toward a teaching degree and when I became a JW and wanted to go back after a 5 year break to finish the degree, they told me I wouldn't have any privileges or would be pleasing Jehovah if I did. So I didn't, and my wife bitterly resented having to work also all those years because I couldn't get a "real" job. Now she's gone, along with my daughter, and I'm the biggest apostate in two states.
Sunnygal, you smell a twist coming. I smell something else. I hope I don't step in it.
Elsewhere, I loved your point about "technically accurate but misleading". I wonder who invented THAT concept??!! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Virgochik, I saw the same thing in every congregation I ever visited. Hey, WT, can you spell "hypocrisy"??
Fullofdoubtnow, they will not only mention the donation arrangement, but there will be those tall cardboard boxes at every entrance.
Juni, I feel like puking as well. I better not eat today.
Finally, to Danny: Thanks again for all your hard work. You probably don't remember me, but you emailed me some info years ago. I've read your story and I applaud your efforts. Let's all hope that Silent Lambs can get up and running again. Then I can continue my work.
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Claiming Christianity in an Apostate Organization!
by Dogpatch incourtesy of towerwatcher: claiming christianity in an apostate organization!
webster's dictionary defines the word "apostasy" as, "an abandoning of what one believed in, as a faith, political party, principles etc".
what better way to illustrate the true definition of acts of apostasy, than to list some of the criminal acts that many cults are committing today in the name of christianity.
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As usual, an excellent article posted here. Why am I not surprised?? Sometimes I wish that Bethel was located on the San Andreas fault.
I know one thing about "Mary", who works in healthcare and squeals on other JW's. If she or any real JW divulges my personal medical information, that JW is going to need hospital care as a patient. It's a good thing face transplants are now being done.
IF YOU WT GOONS ARE READING THIS, I MEAN BUSINESS. KEEP THUMBING YOUR NOSES AT THE WORLD AND ESPECIALLY THIS SITE (INCLUDING RANDY) AND YOU'RE ALL GOING TO PAY DEARLY. FOR YOUR SAKES, YOU BETTER HOPE THAT THE RESURRECTION IS REAL. YOU'LL NEED IT.
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WRONGFULL DEATHSUIT AGAINST WATCHTOWER SOCIETY - UPDATE
by SHUNNED FATHER inthankyou for donating to this worthy cause.
the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.
save the children.
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mcsemike
I don't know what value this is, but I heard of KimberLee Norris in Texas. She is a lawyer who is handling a large class action suit against the WT in the US for free. You might contact her for help. Her info is somewhere on Silent Lambs. My best wishes go with you. I can't donate until my divorce is final and a few other things cleared up. I will try to help after that. (MAN on Silent Lambs).
"May the WT burn in Hell for eternity. May the animals who run the WT burn longer. You cult pigs WILL be destroyed!"
The Sicilian. "Revenge is a dish best served cold."
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Article re New Members of The Governing Body
by BluesBrother inthis weeks study mag, march 15th has on page 26 an article re.
the new members, anthony morris and geoffrey w jackson .
both are men believed to be in their fifties who joined bethel in 2002 or 2006. they both came from the the "nethanim class" of helpers to the gb .. * w92 4/15 p. 31 announcement ***therefore it has been decided to invite several helpers, mainly from among the great crowd, to share in the meetings of each of the governing body committees, that is, the personnel, publishing, service, teaching, and writing committees.
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I had just a few points to make. First, why are they listing all these committees?? Who cares? I don't care how many fiction writers they have, does anyone else? They wouldn't list the translators of the New World Bible, so why list the members of these committees? Where is the modesty, humility, and anonymity?
I'm almost 60 years old. Maybe I think I'm now one of the anointed. Can I apply? Or does the fact that I'm the biggest "apostate" in my state mean I might not get in? Not fair. I think they need a "balanced" viewpoint on life. You know, they're insane and I'm not. Any thoughts?
Blues, good point about imputing motives. I mean, we don't do that, right? We don't tell the world that SIX BILLION people are goats are will die because they don't want to live in Rutherford's "Third Reich". But it's okay for them to do. Well, fair is fair, I always say.
To Stillajwelder: That new light you see down the road will no doubt change color or even go out when you get there. Better bring a flashlight.
Oh, I get it now. I'm a Psych graduate. I'm stained with "worldly wisdom". Far be it for me to understand the reasoning/logic/whatever of the WT. Just when I think I can figure them out by taking proper logic, turning it around 180 degrees, and going with that, they throw a wrench in the works. I'll have to go and read my books again. (I want to be number 143,997. I heard of the WT before these guys did. No fair.)
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The Increasing Degradation of Women in the Watchtower Society.
by Dogpatch infrom towerwatcher:the increasing degradation of women in the watchtower society.
the lifestyle of a woman as one of jehovah's witnesses is certainly not an easy job.
it is a well known fact that most of the work that takes place within the watchtower society contributing to its success, is due to the backbone of the watchtower which can be described as the women in the congregation.
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To Lovelylil: I'm surprised that the sister who was conducting Bible studies with men wasn't counseled about the propriety of possibly being in their homes alone, unless she always took another person (probably a sister) with her.
You can't win. After all, the entire game is rigged, so we all know the outcome.