Posts by mcsemike

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Kingdom Hall Weddings - November Kingdom Ministry

by BluesBrother in

if this has already been posted up - then i missed it.. this question box left me .

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mcsemike

Cindy_67:

I was going to comment on this as well. Just when I think the WTS can't stoop any lower, can't meddle where they don't belong, and most of all, insist on controlling people in EVERY area of their lives, then these idiots print this. Do the elders get their jollies from hearing stories? What couple in their right minds would even allow Mr. "I'm only important when I carry my leather briefcase" to even ASK any questions, much less tell him anything. If I had done anything, I certainly wouldn't answer. And if I hadn't done anything, I'd still tell him to mind his own business. That would get him wondering since most people would say they hadn't done anything if that were true.

I got married in 1977 and this never happened. Did anyone here get grilled like this before your wedding?

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Unlock Cult Phobia's in Witness Relatives-Help them Think Real & Authentic

by flipper in

jw
friends

so what is a " phobia " ?

in hassan's book " releasing the bonds " he states it as , " a persistent, irrational fear of an object or situation.

all phobias are triggered by a cue that initiates a closed cycle of fearful images, thoughts, and feelings.

mcsemike

Flipper: Good comments.

It's like there are a few "commandments" that all new bible studies or those who attend a meeting start out learning.

Number One: "We are the only ones who have the truth, and our leaders are GOD ON EARTH."

Number Two: "As soon as anyone tries to stop you from joining the JW's, he's from Satan."

Number Three: "If YOU ever have any doubts about our lies, lunatic theories, flip-flops, or hypocrisy, then read rule Number One again."

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Deceptive or just wrong?

by johnnyc in

i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

mcsemike

johnnyc: I simply cannot believe the drivel coming out of your mouth. You sound like a Philadelphia lawyer. Thankful for the things we did learn, although some died needlessly and some committed suicide after being DF'd for something that is now okay to do? Are you on drugs???????????

Stop picking at every word. If being anal is your thing, then READ SILENT LAMBS, RAY FRANZ'S BOOKS, AND FREEMINDS. Then you can come here with this nitpicking nonsense.

Everyone here has given you more than enough information. You just want to keep dodging the bullet and evading admitting that the WT is not god's people. They haven't gotten ONE prediction right. They can't even tell me if it will rain tomorrow. And you trust these liars???

You need help in two areas. First, your knowledge of the WT's lies and the horrific damage they've done to the world, especially JW's. Secondly, you need therapy really bad. Find a mental health professional in your area. I see through your reasons for staying here so long with all this nonsense. You aren't supposed to be here if you are a JW. And if you are not a JW, then why defend them? Everything Russell taught was from religions before him. He didn't come up with anything of importance. Get help and get a life. READ THE DAMN WEBSITES AND THE BOOKS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?????!!!!!

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Deceptive or just wrong?

by johnnyc in

i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

mcsemike

Johnnyc: This will be my last post to you. I get in trouble stating my stats, but I do it to show people like you that I have, and so have the others, done all the research to prove the WT wrong. The GB lied hundreds of times. They are NOT being used by God. In fact, YOU can't even prove God exists. I'm probably older than you with more education and study time with WT books.

You are NOT looking for honest answers, you want to waste our time and then you'll skip off laughing that so many people spent hours to help you. But you forget many other JW's read this thread and they will possibly take their heads out of their butts.

Not ONE JW ever joined this cult because he could prove it was the truth. The WT turns to selected verses to make their points, but we don't buy that. The Bible was written to ALL men. ( I don't believe the Bible either, I'm just showing you your faulty logic.) It doesn't need a group of old men with no education, who translated the Bible to defend THEIR wrong beliefs and love the power and glory. God would NEVER use a baby-raping cult. Don't tell me Catholics abuse kids too. I know that. I know everything that you know about the WT's views, and all of us have heard all your comments before. You are a JW apologist and we don't need anymore. You go study Silent Lambs, read Ray Franz's books, and read all of Freeminds.

Of all the people alive today in the US who were ever baptized, studied with JW's, or were family members who know the beliefs but never got suckered in, only one third are active witnesses. That means that two-thirds of all people who know this cult quit because they know it's wrong. Some got DF'd, some DA'd. And don't tell me God was cleaning house. When there is an increase, God is speeding up the work. When their is a decrease, God is doing a sifting work. The WT wants it both ways and we won't allow it. They will play by the rules or they will be destroyed. If there is a god, he hates the WT. And whether there is a god or not, I don't need him to help me bring down the WT.

I'm a prolific writer and I'm now flooding the Internet with information. I was also a network engineer so I know how to do it. In 20 years, the WT will have been sued to death and possibly stoned on the streets when out in service. Many towns here in Florida call the cops and tell them pedophiles are going door to door. Are you proud of that?

I will admit your kind and curious questions make it seem you are genuine and honestly just trying to clear up confusion in your mind. If you want to clear up confusion, then quit this perverted and sick cult. You'd be surprised at how clearly you will start to see things once the WT glasses have been taken off.

Everyone on this forum quoted more than enough info to prove the WT wrong and to show you how you think illogically. I can't waste any more time on you. I don't believe you intend to check out the info with an honest heart. Many talented people here have spent a lot of time to help you, and I'm an author so I recognize that their arguments and comments were clear, concise, and honest.

You either prefer to stay a JW, or you came here to waste our time, or you want to stir up the hornet's nest. All you did was prove to us and the world that yet another JW is so brainwashed and often so brain dead as to be beyond any help we can give.

I'll let the others deal with you. But you need professional help, a few lessons in logic, and many years so you can mature.

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Deceptive or just wrong?

by johnnyc in

i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

mcsemike

To JohnnyC: The issue here involves dozens of concepts, too numerous to list them all.

They joined the UN after calling it a whore. That makes them whores/sluts. Not a nice name for a group that says that only THEY know anything about God. God never told them to announce anything. They do it for power and money and glory. I've met GB members and have been around this cult for almost 40 years.

You will find, if you REALLY do your research, that most of the conduct of the GB, elders, and rank and file, is due to psychological needs that this sick cult satisfies. I have a BA in Psychology, so please don't insist the WTS is correct and they mean well. They do NOT.

They hide pedophiles. They say bad things only happen once or twice. That's a lie. They happen thousands of times. They have lied for over 130 years. I've read almost every book they published and have Studies in the Scriptures that Russell wrote. The book and its pyramid theory are a lunatic joke.

Most of the GB are mentally ill. Most men who become elders crave the power and glory. They barely finished high school and wash windows for a living, yet they pretend to know how to handle any and all problems in a person's life. I wouldn't even presume to be able to be a therapist in all the fields of mental health.

They cheat on the donation arrangement. They've urged people to follow their own rules about blood, etc., yet they change them all the time. God doesn't change. So if the WTS changes ANY teaching, they are from Satan.

We "apostates" (and we are NOT) point out the hypocrisy in the WTS and we get DF'd. The GB points out the same thing in the Catholic Church and all JW's clap. Don't you find all of this disturbing?? You should.

Study Silent Lambs and the Freeminds site. You won't learn the truth from the JW's. They don't have it.

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Bethel Australia 2 couples go on holidays and swaped partners - True!!?

by Witness 007 in

a sister confronted a bethel elder about this in my presence and he confirmed it ....wow!

i thought it was a bull crap rumor...and he said they had been disfellowshiped....any aussies hear of or no more about this?

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mcsemike

Years ago, I think I heard that several couples were swapping partners in the basement of the K. Hall. They almost had to disband the congregation since they lost so many members.

If you think about it, and this is tongue-in-cheek, why swap?? Elder #1 has boring wife (and life) and so does elder #2. Elder #1 gets wife of elder #2 and elder #2 gets wife of elder #1. Both elders start with boring wives. They switch and end up with equally boring wifes. No improvement, risk of being found out, guilty conscience, and two "sisters" who now will do the "then the claws came out" routine.

I don't think it's worth it with most "sisters". Since they all are made with a cookie cutter design, they are all equally boring.

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HELP PROSECUTE THE PERPS...

by stillconcerned in

this post is inspired by a prior thread re 'what to do when you hear about a predator'... .

for those who may not know, i am a civil attorney whose practice is limited to sexual molestation litigation.. at present, my firm represents a number of abuse survivors who were molested by those in authority in various jw congregations.

these cases are pending.. in the course of investigating the factual background related to the clients i represent, i have stumbled across a great number of reports of abuse within the context of jw congregations.

mcsemike

Some additional information. Elders who formed a JC and put me on reproof for criticizing the WT and reading Ray Franz's books: Middletown, Keyport, Hazlet congs., elders were George Alzon, PO, now serving as a CO here in Florida, an elder whose last name is Portugal, another with last name Gaspiero (sp?). Elders who called my child "whore" and "liar" and/or let others do so without punishing them are in Ocean and Asbury Park (Bruce's town) James Johnson, WT cond. and asst. CO when needed, elder with last name Klein and his son who is also an elder. I'll have more names and addresses soon. Then people can write them or call and give them hell. I'll also post KH phone numbers so you can call during a meeting and ask to talk to an elder.

PLEASE DON'T WASTE A PERFECTLY GOOD BASEBALL BAT AND USE UP YOUR ENERGY. I'VE BECOME A CRACK MARKSMAN WITH PISTOLS AND HANDGUNS. BULLETS ARE 25 CENTS EACH. LIKE THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN AND JAMES BOND, I ONLY NEED ONE BULLET PER PEDOPHILE. I'M SICILIAN, I'LL DIP THE BULLETS IN POISON FIRST. I CAN FIRE 3 TIMES PER SECOND AND HIT A DIME SIZED BULLSEYE EACH TIME. I'LL ONLY REST TO LET THE GUN BARREL COOL OFF.

I'll even work for free. Better yet, I'll donate money to Freeminds and Silent Lambs for every pedophile weasel they let me shoot. Thank you.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Break Up Marriages? WT 11/01/08 pgs 11-12

by insearchoftruth in

do jehovah's witnesses break up marriages?.

"if one partner chnages his or her religion, the marriage will break up.

" so goes the claim of many people.

mcsemike

It's been a long time since I've read such a crock of bullshit. Doesn't the WTS now print the magazines on that loony farm in New York? Maybe that would account for all of the manure in their articles, especially this one. I think the reason they dismissed half of Bethel was that they couldn't find enough rubber boots for everyone as they daily walked through horseshit.

Women are not property to be treated like slaves. I've seen my share of that. If you JW lunatics are reading this, go to hell. You told my wife that she could leave me and take my only child because I questioned their pedophile policies. Yes, I can certainly see how that is submissive and was no threat to my marriage.

She moved out exactly 7 years ago yesterday, on Mischief Night. How appropriate. She couldn't have picked a better date unless it was our wedding anniversary. It would have been 31 years this December. What a "wonderful provision from Jehovah"!! I'm SO grateful. PUKE!!!!

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Let's get real about SHUNNING

by passwordprotected in

a good friend of mine dad a few months ago because he'd moved in with his 'worldly' g/f and he was already partially being stalked by the local boe.

since then his mother will have nothing to do with him, neither will his sister and her family.

a few of the more real jws that genuinely care about him have kept a level of contact up.

mcsemike

Dear password:

You hit the nail on the head. It does NOT make people go back because of any "love". It ruins people, their families, their health. People have committed suicide because of shunning.

The WT once printed an article in the 1950's bemoaning the fact that in our times, the WT didn't have the authority to kill apostates. Yes, that's what they said. I wonder what they would be thinking while they shot their mother or father just because the GB said to do it.

These lunatics are as dangerous as Jim Jones. I don't approve of violence to innocent rank and file, but the persecution in Russia and other countries is long overdue.

I always ask them: "Would Jesus do this? Can you see him doing something he knew would destroy a person's family and health?" They don't give a damn. So when Brooklyn is leveled and gone, I don't give a damn.

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Your kids are doomed.

by sammielee24 in

jw
friends

i listened in to the conf call tonight.

one thing that i got from it was that apparently (and the wording might be a little wrong) is that elders or ms will be removed if they are going to college or university.

a person encouraging another to go to college will be removed as well.

mcsemike

Actually, Lady Zombie, you are not far off. You can be DF'd for apostasy as well as "loose conduct". Now, according to the elder's handbook and letters, "loose conduct" can be as slight as "disrespect to an elder". And they've said many times that apostasy does NOT require that you advocate a viewpoint opposite the WTS. All you have to do is "refuse to agree fully" with EVERY aspect of any and all of their beliefs.

So now, just like the Christians and lions (where the victim had to just say some words to show he had the right attitude toward the emperor) all they have to do is ask you to affirm that you believe in this, then that, then this, etc. until your conscience makes you say, "I'm not quite sure about this one little point, I'm studying it now." Then they've got you.

Elders, on the whole, are guilty of emotional abuse. Their conduct borders on child abuse. (I don't mean actual sexual abuse.) Treating anyone under the age of 18 in a way that is detrimental to their mental health can bring charges in some states. Here in Florida they are very strict. Some towns in the US hassle or refuse to allow JW's to go door to door because they won't tell them who the pedophiles are. I'm going to visit the local police and sheriff and tell them about this. I'm also going to Family and Child Services to complain about how JW's treat their children (no after school, believing others will die and threatening them with this, and many other things).

I'm sure some attention will be brought to this subject. Messing with children's heads is not allowed here. Say goodbye, WTS. You're done. Pick out a coffin so we can get this over with. If you don't, we'll choose one for you.