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  Will you ever go back to the Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by XPeterX in

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  discuss..

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  Chariklo

  I would sooner be entangled in the arms of a woman of loose morals than return to the Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Are you comparing the JW's with real excitement, Billy?
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  Do JWs even mention the 'generation' teaching to new studies?

  by lisaBObeesa in

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  2. beliefs

  the other thread got me to wondering if people who are studies ever even learn about the current generation teaching.. is the current generation teaching part of the book that is used with studies now?

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  Chariklo

  Invisible post there, Vanderhoven. IE9? Try Firefox or Chrome.
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  Male Domination = No Judge Deborah

  by metatron in

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  i had to laugh at today's watchtower, when it spoke of "judge barak".. it's this sort of thing that tells you that their "scholarship" is non-existent.

  the record in judges clearly states that 'deborah was judging israel' - oh, and it repeats the point because 'israel came to her to be judged'.

  ..... brave barak told her he wasn't going into battle unless she went with him.. no judge deborah.

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  Seems to me that the WT really can't cope with women unless they are industrious with the needle like Tabitha/Dorcas or self-sacrificing in the extreme like Jephtha's daughter.
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  It makes me sad.

  by Matsimus in

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  2. experiences

  recently, when saying goodbye to my grandmother, who i only see a few times a year, she started tearing and said something that made me very sad.

  she said she had to tell me that the door to jehovah's kingdom is closing at any moment now, and that if i didn't do anything now, it would be to late.

  to her, she is facing an eternity without her grandchildren and it makes her very sad.

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  I think you are doing the right thing, Matsimus. With elderly people, elderly devout Witnesses, they almost certainly can't cope with the thought that the religion to which they have devoted their life is false.

  I have an elderly friend, a sister with serious health problems. She's in her mid-80's, and has been a JW for well over half a century. She is very troubled that I am not going to the KH any more, and constantly tries her best to get me to see it more positively. She says things like "I'm so glad to be safe unf=der Jehovah's umbrella" and "I'm so glad I can prove my religion from the Bible".

  I haven't the heart to confront her with uncomfortable facts. Her own family is split and includes some disfellowshipped grandchildren, yet she remains steadfast. She is a very dear friend. I love her to bits, and I couldn't possibly cauuse her distress.

  So sometimes the most I say is "you know I don't see it like that don't you?". She can cope with that much, but no more.

  It sounds to me as though your grandmother is like that, and I am certain that you're doing the right and loving thing.
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  Do JWs even mention the 'generation' teaching to new studies?

  by lisaBObeesa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the other thread got me to wondering if people who are studies ever even learn about the current generation teaching.. is the current generation teaching part of the book that is used with studies now?

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  Chariklo

  It's in an appendix about 1914. It's certainly not "proven" or really "explained." Rather, it gets a superficial treatment as if, "this is a fact that everyone accepts."

  Exactly that, Billy. I too protested that it didn't really explain it. I was told I was spiritually weak, and the elder himself spent an hour and a half patiently "explaining" it all to me, while the pioneer wife pitied my stupidity.

  Ok, maybe I'm being a bit unkind and satirical in telling the bare bones of what happened, but it is indeed the bare bones of what happened. That particular conversation took place 8 months ago. .
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  Do JWs even mention the 'generation' teaching to new studies?

  by lisaBObeesa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the other thread got me to wondering if people who are studies ever even learn about the current generation teaching.. is the current generation teaching part of the book that is used with studies now?

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  Chariklo

  They don't call them "progressive Bible studies" for nothing. They wouldn't start on the overlapping generation at their Bible studies,unless the student heard it at the meeting or convention. Witnesses are not encouraged to get into anything too deep with new studies.

  As a "progressive Bible study" I actually asked about this very point. I had been at the previous summer's Convention when it was discussed. I was roundly told off and rebuked for not having paid attention. "Why didn't you take notes?"

  "I did take notes."

  "Well, go and read your notes."

  That is word for word what happened. It was only about 3 months ago. The study conductor is a pioneer, very prominent in the congregation, wife of an elder in a key position.
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  Breaking the Watchtower into Two Opossing Camps, Possible?

  by Scott77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  is there a possibility that the watchtower will be split into two opposing camps at sometime in the foreseeable future?

  judging from the past, do we envisage such a scenario happening before our eyes?.

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  bookmarking
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  Is it possible to define faith in a simple, logical, unambiguous way?

  by losthobbit in

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  i was wondering if it's actually possible to define what faith is in a simple, logical, unambiguous way.. .

  i have a theory that words which cannot be defined in a simple, logical, unambiguous way do not really mean anything specific, and therefore should probably be avoided.. .

  i know there have been books written on this subject, but i think that anyone who has to write an entire book to define a simple word like faith, does not really understand what it means.. .

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  Chariklo

  What still thinking said. Don't want to lose sight of the thread, but no time now to write.

  Interesting!
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  On Being a Pagan...

  by ziddina in

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  this video pretty much sums it up..... .

  in case you can't see the video, here's the address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdhdmswviea&feature=related.

  wearing nothing but thin silk, dancing in the waves of the ocean or the shallows of a great river.... .

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  Chariklo

  What an interesting thread, Zid! Thanks for posting a link to it!
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  She's trying to make her a publisher...

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

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  soooo, i've been sudying the bible with a 10 year old girl for two years now...her mother recently got baptised.

  since i've been having doubts about the org i've centered our discussions on god and the bible and less on pleasing the org...i was doing fine.... until i invited an older pioneer sister to accompany me on the study....heeeeeeesh...she changed the topic from having manners to becoming an unbaptised publisher....she went onnnnn and onnnnn about "don't you want to please jehovah and jesus, wouldn't you like to put in a form every month and you do love jehovah and want to tell others about him,right?

  " i was so upset.. i treat and love this girl as if she was my little sister and i do not want her to nose dive into this religion...she's a child for god's sake!.

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  Chariklo

  Do you mean that by not studying with this 10-year-old you are withholding good news from herm, the good news of the "truth"?

  It does rather sound to me as if you are very confused. And I understand that. I've been very confused too, and even now, even after getting myself out of the KH and stopping publishing something can happen, a call or a letter from someone, and I find part of my mind trying to pull me back in. But for me, too much is so clearly wrong and too much has happened.

  You know that some thngs in the WT are very wrong. You see the effects that disfellowshipping has on families and individuals. You're intelligent and a thinker, but the WT has got a good grip on you and that's why, if I've understood you correctly, you don't feel good about studying with this child. A ten-year-old is a child.

  I agree with the posters above who felt that you shouldn't hand this girl over to the clutches of the pioneer, but if her mum is indeed newly in and if she is anything like I got to be then she'll be throwing herself into it and the child will be exposed to that. There's nothing you can do about it.

  But there is something you can do about you, and that's to continue to study real things, not WT literature, and to use your good brain to think, and read all the info on cults. The hold that the WT has on you (and still has a tiny bit on me, but I am never going back) is the hold of a cult.

  One thing though: I still don't understand how any bloodguilt could possibly be involved in any way at all here. What am I missing?