Posts by Chariklo

It's very interesting and I've already learned a lot,; even though I've read through everything there's far too much to think about for me yet to feel I have it all under my belt, so to speak.

However, doesn't it all carry with it the same problem in essence, though not in its particulars of course, as the WT and other very doctrinal faiths? The Tawrat, Zabur and Injil may indeed be very important and relevant, but I'm a bit resistant at the moment to thinking that any one set of teachings will contain the whole truth.

For instance, before my brain was mashed up by JW's, while adhering to my own church (I have no idea what I'm going to do about that and I'm certainly not going to rush back there nor go anywhere else in a hurry) I was very interested in the spiritual insights and practices of other religions and cultures. While still in my capacity as one of the WT's minions, I called fairly recently, surprisingly, and I am ashamed to say it, on a Moslem family who actually expressed some interest. Their spiritual approach to life impressed me even then, still deluded and brainwashed as I was. I know other Moslems who I count among my friends and who as far as I know have never found out about my extraordinary almost-assimilation by the Borg. For Moslems read Hindus, Jews and Buddhists...I have friends among them all...and have also always been interested in other approaches to spirituality, worlwide.

Rigid doctrines don't sit well with me, nor any attempts to coerce and enforce one point of view, and at the same time, in keeping with the title of this thread, my preference is always to treat others with respect and view their beliefs with tolerance.

So, while continuing to explore the information on those very interesting links, Fernando, concepts like

Ephesians 4:5 explicitly says there is only "one faith" namely that of Abraham.

This faith (a wide opening of our spiritual eyes) follows a hearing of the unabridged "gospel" message known in Hebrew as "bissar" and in Arabic/Urdu as "Injeel"/"Injil" (Romans 10:16,17).

trouble me just a little bit in case it should be thought that in those writings the whole of Jesus' teachings could be contained. Of course they couldn't. Even in just 3 years' ministry, he will have said and taught so very much that couldn't get itself written down.So, while they may be unabridged, in the sense of being a complete rendering of what has been recorded, they cannot possibly be a complete rendering of everything said and done. Can they?

But I do like your approach, Fernando. It's the wide opening of our spiritual eyes, as you say, which is so important and which frightens the wits of of the WT!

After all, what if the rank and file actually began to think?!

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"Awake" 1973 says Witnesses should not play CHESS it's EVIL!!!

by Witness 007 in

awake 73 march 22 p.12 "the spirit of competition between players can lead to unplesant circumstances...in some homes tensions linger long past checkmate...chess has been a game of war since it originated...the games conection to war is obvious....a play substitue for the art of war...there is a danger of stirring uo competition with one another even developing hostility with one another something the bible warns against....what effect does playing chess have on one?

is it a wholesome effect?

....there are questions regarding it that each one who plays chess should consider.".

Chariklo

Now I know why I've failed to come up to scratch!

Chess has turned me to the Dark Side!

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Which do you think is the most pernicious teaching of the JW's?

by Chariklo in

as i turn things over in my mind, one jw lie stands out.. that god doesn't listen to all prayers.

unless i have it wrong, and i don't think i do, jw's believe, and have been endlessly, ruthlessly taught, that only those living by "jehovah's righteous standards"...that awful glib phrase again...will get their prayers listened to.

in other words, god looks at the number the person is calling from, so to speak, checks who it is, looks him up in his book of misdeeds, and angrily slams the phone down.. the jehovah god of the wt is petty and mean-minded.

Chariklo

Fifth ....they lie..........it's not about serving god it's about serving the needs of gods organization.

Yes, and the Bible studies don't actually study the Bible, but what the Watchtower says the Bible says.

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Similarities between the Borg from Star Trek and the org?

by TimothyT in

can you list any similarities between the borg from star trek and the organisation?.

thanks!

timmy xx.

Chariklo

Like the Borg, JW's know that to assimilate individuals they find, they must adjust them.

Anyone else hate that unique JW use of the word "adjust"?

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Elder ordered a violent beating, man died. Still not disfellowshipped.

by snare&racket in

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Chariklo

Yes - this is the easy out. He is "no longer active".

But he'll be lovingly visited, and adjusted, and before long will be back, and maybe even an elder again, sooner that you'd think.

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Which do you think is the most pernicious teaching of the JW's?

by Chariklo in

as i turn things over in my mind, one jw lie stands out.. that god doesn't listen to all prayers.

unless i have it wrong, and i don't think i do, jw's believe, and have been endlessly, ruthlessly taught, that only those living by "jehovah's righteous standards"...that awful glib phrase again...will get their prayers listened to.

in other words, god looks at the number the person is calling from, so to speak, checks who it is, looks him up in his book of misdeeds, and angrily slams the phone down.. the jehovah god of the wt is petty and mean-minded.

Chariklo

Yup

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What are your favourite movie lines/quotes????

by karter in

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''well there's one thing you got ta ask yourself punk....you felling lucky...well do ya punk".....clint eastwood dirty harry.. "it's life jim but not as we know it" capt kirk star treck..

Chariklo

"I've got a bad feeling about this".

Star Wars. The line is so bad it's good.

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Similarities between the Borg from Star Trek and the org?

by TimothyT in

can you list any similarities between the borg from star trek and the organisation?.

thanks!

timmy xx.

Chariklo

Once individuals are plugged into the collective they can no longer think for themselves. There is no "I". Only "we".

"We must have peace in the congregation" = we are all alike, individuals are systematically discouraged from thinking other than in terms of the collective.

One central order sees them systematically, in orderly fashion, going into action in their allotted way.

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Which do you think is the most pernicious teaching of the JW's?

by Chariklo in

as i turn things over in my mind, one jw lie stands out.. that god doesn't listen to all prayers.

unless i have it wrong, and i don't think i do, jw's believe, and have been endlessly, ruthlessly taught, that only those living by "jehovah's righteous standards"...that awful glib phrase again...will get their prayers listened to.

in other words, god looks at the number the person is calling from, so to speak, checks who it is, looks him up in his book of misdeeds, and angrily slams the phone down.. the jehovah god of the wt is petty and mean-minded.

Chariklo

As I turn things over in my mind, one JW lie stands out.

That God doesn't listen to all prayers. Unless I have it wrong, and I don't think I do, JW's believe, and have been endlessly, ruthlessly taught, that only those living by "Jehovah's righteous standards"...that awful glib phrase again...will get their prayers listened to. In other words, God looks at the number the person is calling from, so to speak, checks who it is, looks him up in his book of misdeeds, and angrily slams the phone down.

The Jehovah God of the WT is petty and mean-minded. It's the elephant in the living room, but nobody ever dares to point out that if we are all imperfect, as we are told we are by the WT, then how can anyone live up to these...yuk...righteous standards?

It's to my mind one of the most pernicious of their horrible lies because it completely misrepresents the loving God of the New Testament. Of course, if the whole thing has sent you away from any religious belief that would be understandable, but it would still be interesting to know what people think is the worst in their arsenal of control.

Yes, of course, I know how very awful some of the actively restrictive measures are on individuals, like the shunning, the dominance and superiority of males (even thick ones) etc etc etc. This is just what comes to me today.