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  Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

  by EdenOne in

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  adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

  it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

  why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

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  What a confused lil bunny........
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  Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

  it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

  why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

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  I'm wondering what homo erectus hunted with his spear been as animals didn't eat eachother until after the 'apple incident'....

  Those spears used for cabbage?

  You do realise they used fire as they didnt have the enzymes to metabolise raw meat?

  

  We KNOW they ate meat and they wore half the animals that they lived near..... someone had dominion over the animals and was eating them before god said it was allowed..... awwwwwww ! Naughty Neanderthals !
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  Raise your beers to Mr Wallace !

  by snare&racket in

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  some people don't realise that attacking darwin's personal life over evolution is nonsensical as he was not the only scientist with the theory at the time.

  many scientists were debating the idea including darwin's father and grandfather.

  amongst the people throwing the theory around was a young poor welshman with a love for biology and questions, his name was alfred, yes everyone could calm down a welsh :) man called alfred wallace was also on the case...... many don't know that he contributed much to the theory too.

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  “There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.”

  Charles Darwin

  

  In my early youth I heard, as ninety-nine-hundredths of the world do, only the evidence on one side, and became impressed with a veneration for religion which has left some traces even to this day. I have since heard and read much on both sides, and pondered much upon the matter in all its bearings...I have since wandered among men of many races and many religions. I have studied man, and nature in all its aspects, and I have sought after truth. In my solitude I have pondered much on the incomprehensible subjects of space, eternity, life and death. I think I have fairly heard and fairly weighed the evidence on both sides, and I remain an utter disbeliever in almost all that you consider the most sacred truths.

  Alfred Wallace

  

  The "First Ascending Passage" with the "Grand Gallery." That point marks the birth of our Lord Jesus, as the "Well," 33 inches farther on, indicates his death. So, then, if we measure backward down the "First Ascending Passage" to its junction with the "Entrance Passage," we shall have a fixed date to mark upon the downward passage. This measure is 1542 inches, and indicates the year B.C. 1542, as the date at that point. Then measuring down the "Entrance Passage" from that point, to find the distance to the entrance of the "Pit," representing the great trouble and destruction with which this age is to close, when evil will be overthrown from power, we find it to be 3457 inches, symbolizing 3457 years from the above date, B.C. 1542. This calculation shows A.D. 1915 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1915 years A.D. equals 3457 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914 will be the beginning of the time of trouble such as was not since there was a nation—no, nor ever shall be afterward. And thus it will be noted that this "Witness" fully corroborates the Bible testimony on this subject, as shown by the "Parallel Dispensations" in Scripture Studies vol 2 ch 5.

  Pastor Russell

  

  The year 1926 would therefore begin about October first, 1925. We should, therefore, expect shortly after 1925 to see the awakening of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Melchisedec, Job, Moses, Samuel, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, John the Baptist, and others mentioned in the eleventh chapter of Hebrews.

  JF Rutherford

  Wow, I can't believe we fell for the bottom two.....The clues were always there......
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  Maybe I'm the bad guy after all

  by braincleaned in

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  maybe i'm the bad guy after all.

  my mom and sis love me and still talk to me, although i'm clearly an apostate.

  their loophole?

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  Ask yourself repeatedly, is there a legitimate way to leave the JW's....

  They would say no whilst also saying one should never explore neagative material on the WT.

  Once you accept that they are in a circle of self deceit and loss, you have to decide what you want.....

  Your family will always see your actions as inappropriate. I spent much time persuading my family that I SINCERELY did not believe it anymore. Some accepted it, some looked for motives and other reasons to satify their own minds.

  It is a hard crossroads to reach, having been there, crossed it and reached the highway to freedom and self expression and free will and freedom of though... I can say without hesitation I did the right thing and have no regrets.

  There will always be loss, it is designed into the system. The Watchtower are like a casino, you have woken up and looked around at the casino you are in, worked out the odds, worked out that the stats are against you...the house always wins.....

  Option A: you have put so much in already, may as well stay

  Option B: accept that you have losses, you can't leave without leaving the losses behind but YOU CAN LEAVE.

  Some choose A, some B. Some stand outside the Casino telling people not to go in, some stand outside shouting for their loved ones to come out as they sit there hypnotised with promises and unsees treasures.

  

  

  I am so sorry that there is no Option C where you win, you get your losses returned and your family all wake up and leave. Casino's and religions aren't designed like that, they are designed so you don't want to leave, can't leave they are smart. Casino's draw people because evidently some people DO win, how smart are religions and cults, there is NO EVIDENCE of any of the promises, not one person has so far 'won' a thing, yet the lolyal members sit there expecting they will. Knowing it's a game, knowing how smart they are.... you play the game and play smarter....

  Accept your losses

  walk away from the flashing lights and electronic beeps....

  See if they are sad you are leaving or ANGRY ?..... smile, you won the house lost....
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  Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

  it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

  why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

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  Eden one, your explination makes no sense, there was never a FIRST HUMAN just as there was no FIRST ITALIAN speaker, over time genes like words mutated.

  Adam and Eve's parents were the same as Adam and Eve as were all the other human ancestors of the same species around them on earth at that time. You clearly don't understand evolution at all.

  If you believe your god for some reason stepped in and somehow interrupted his evolutionary process and made some adjustments, a plan B to make up for a blip... that just doesn't make sense or compare to the Genesis account. He took a humanlike creature and then made him into modern humans.... but there were species almost identical to humans around that he ignored? You believe in evolution... what is more likely? We evolved from them as our DNA indicates or your mystial being whom you learned from a book that says NONE of this.

  We are talking about NON HUMANS that had homes, tools, jewelry, burial traditions...... if you understand evolution, you know we evolved from THEM. Even their beliefs, tools, hunting etc came across the species too... or do you imagine gods new shiny creature was made, then went and learned these skills from the human like animals around him 6000 years ago? Early humans wiped out the neanderthals, who long predated them, none of this fits into your ideas at all.

  You are clutching at straws trying to explan away something that has already been explained. You want to marry a book that you know is innacurate and unscientific because the idea of letting go of that book is so significant and scary...

  The idea of animals eevolving without a loving fatherly onlooker may be frightening, but only if you consume watered down Americanised versions of bilical theology.

  Evolution dictates survival by your ability to suit your enviroment......frightening?

  What about a deity that wipes out most of the planet because he is dispeased? ..... Not frightening?

  
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  Raise your beers to Mr Wallace !

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some people don't realise that attacking darwin's personal life over evolution is nonsensical as he was not the only scientist with the theory at the time.

  many scientists were debating the idea including darwin's father and grandfather.

  amongst the people throwing the theory around was a young poor welshman with a love for biology and questions, his name was alfred, yes everyone could calm down a welsh :) man called alfred wallace was also on the case...... many don't know that he contributed much to the theory too.

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  Some people don't realise that attacking Darwin's personal life over Evolution is nonsensical as he was not the only scientist with the theory at the time. Many scientists were debating the idea including Darwin's father and grandfather. Amongst the people throwing the theory around was a young poor Welshman with a love for biology and questions, his name was Alfred, yes everyone could calm down a Welsh :) man called Alfred Wallace was also on the case.....

  Many don't know that he contributed much to the theory too. He and Darwin combined their work for the theory. My spine tingles with excitment and heart tugs with respect that these two men shared their decades of experiments, literally there life's work together, exchanging ego for truth.

  

  Wallace became an evolutionist in 1845 whilst living in Neath in Wales, after being inspired by Robert Chambers' controversial book Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation. So interested in the subject did he become that in 1848 he suggested to his friend Henry Walter Bates that they go on an expedition to the Amazon rainforest in Brazil to collect and study animals and plants and try to solve the great "mystery of mysteries" of how evolutionary change has taken place.

  'I shd [should] like to take some one family, to study thoroughly - principally with a view to the theory of the origin of species. By that means I am strongly of [the] opinion that some definite results might be arrived at.'

  Although Wallace made many important discoveries during his four years in the Amazon Basin he did not manage to find the elusive mechanism. That would have to wait until some time later. Twenty-six days into his return voyage from Brazil back to England, Wallace's ship catches fire. It sinks along with almost all the natural history specimens he had collected during the two last and most interesting years of his trip.

  The survivors drift for 10 days in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean before being rescued by a passing cargo ship.

  Wallace sets off on his next and most important expedition, this time to Southeast Asia. He arrives in Singapore in April 1854 and spends the next eight years travelling 14,000 miles around the archipelago, visiting every major island at least once. This is where Wallace will make his most famous discoveries.

  Wallace writes about evolution for the first time from Sarawak in Borneo.His paper, On the Law Which Has Regulated the Introduction of New Species, is published later that year. It becomes known as his 'Sarawak Law' paper.

  

  In it he states, 'Every species has come into existence coincident both in space and time with a pre-existing closely allied species.'In his view this provides very strong evidence for evolution, but he still doesn't understand how it works.

  

  In February 1855 whilst in Sarawak, Borneo, Wallace wrote what was probably the most important paper published on evolution up until that point. His "Sarawak Law" article made such an impression on the famous geologist Charles Lyell that in November 1855, soon after reading it, Lyell started writing a "species notebook" in which he began to contemplate the idea of evolutionary change. In April 1856 Lyell paid a visit to Darwin at Down House, and Darwin divulged his theory of natural selection to Lyell for the first time: an idea which Darwin had been working on, more or less in secret, for about 20 years. Soon afterwards Lyell sent a letter to Darwin urging him to publish the theory lest someone beat him to it (he probably had Wallace in mind!), so in May 1856 Darwin, heeding this advice, began to write a "sketch" of his ideas for publication. Finding the "sketch" unsatisfactory, Darwin abandoned it in about October 1856 and instead began to write an extensive book on the subject.

  In February 1858 Wallace was suffering from an attack of fever on the remote Indonesian island of Gilolo (Halmahera) when suddenly the idea of natural selection occurred to him. As soon as he had sufficient strength he wrote an detailed essay explaining his theory and sent it together with a covering letter to Darwin, who he knew from correspondence was interested in the subject of species transmutation (as evolution was then called). He asked Darwin to pass the essay on to Lyell if Darwin thought it was sufficiently interesting - evidently hoping that Lyell would ensure that it was published in a good journal. Lyell (who Wallace had never been in contact with) was one of the most respected scientists of the time and Wallace must have thought that he would be interested to learn about his new theory because it explained the evolutionary "law" which Wallace had proposed in his 1855 paper. Darwin had mentioned in a letter to Wallace that Lyell had found his "Sarawak Law" paper noteworthy.
  
  Unbeknownst to Wallace, Darwin had discovered natural selection many years earlier. He was therefore horrified when he received Wallace's letter and immediately appealed to his friends Lyell and Joseph Hooker for advice on what to do. They famously decided to present Wallace's essay (without first asking his permission!), along with two unpublished excerpts from Darwin's writings on the subject, to a meeting of the Linnean Society of London on July 1st 1858. These documents were published together in the Society's journal a month later as the paper "On the Tendency of Species to Form Varieties; And On the Perpetuation of Varieties and Species by Natural Means of Selection". Darwin's contributions were placed before Wallace's essay, thus emphasising Darwin's priority to the idea.
  
  

  Darwin was to beat Wallace to the post on evolution, as a true scientist Wallace respected the pursuit of truth more than anything, dedicating his later publication (The Malay Archipelago) to Darwin.

  

  Cut to 2009 some 140 years later and a 26 year old snare arrives at University, denying Evolution as did the religious zealots of Darwin's and Wallace's time. I was to be taught medicine, but first about evolution here.....

  

  

  The Alfred Wallace Lecture Theatre in Cardiff University, Wales.

  

  I remember the first day I entered the theatre bemused at the name 'Alfred Wallace' as I passed his plaque by the entrance.

  Alfred Wallace died 100 years ago, he was a fantastic scientist and a good man, his dedication and hard work played a part in changing my life, maybe your life, drastically... over a century later. My lecturor was kind enough to loan me a third edition of "On the Origin of Species" following a conversation about the definition of evolution, everything I had been told growing up was a lie. I started to realise that the theory is undeniable, the beliefs I had were evidently wrong and it was time to make some seriously difficult decisions.... it was a very exciting time and there began my route from myth to science.

  Cheers Mr Wallace :) x

  If you live in the UK maybe go visit his 100 year celebration!

  http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/science-of-natural-history/wallace/

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  Check out these pages for more info

  http://www.alfredwallace.org/

  http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/science-of-natural-history/biographies/wallace/

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-24627845

  http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/collections-at-the-museum/museum-treasures/alfred-russel-wallace-insects/index.html
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  Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  adamah brought up in another thread an issue i wasn't aware of, and i thought it merged well with something i've been pondering about.

  it revolves around the deeper reasons why satan was successful in persuading eve to eat from the forbidden fruit.

  why was eve persuaded to disobey god?.

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  Pride doesnt work... if she knew it was a lie then how would it reward her pride knowing it would not pay off?

  They are trying to avoid the difficulty of blaming Eve despite her thinking she was doing a reasonable thing.

  Looking back at the myth of adam and eve now, much to the pleasure of theists, I side with satan.

  "Hey guys, just cos this dick says you HAVE to do as he says and demands you worship him, doesnt mean you should. Taste freedom, taste deciding right and wrong for yourself, for moral and conscientious reasons not because of his illogical commands.... 'Durrr I was ere first and made you, so do as I say or ill kill ya!...painfully!' ...Screw that baby, eat the fruit and die, die free!"

  *CHOMP*
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  Today's WT study - WTS playing into Satan's hand?

  by leaving_quietly in

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  the picture on page 26 of the 8/15/13 wt shows three scenarios with the caption "what scriptural principles should come to your mind under these circumstances.

  " the scriptures are, of course, what's discussed throughout the article.

  "the desire of the flesh", "the desire of the eyes" and "the showy display of one's means of life".

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  Idiots.......

  The only reason they hate apple, is because Jahooha couldn't get a job with them because his work is too shoddy...

  

  
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  The best method for dealing with JW's

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4cizze-zzo.

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  When the old boy elder chips into the conversation because your questions have gotten a little harder......

  BECOME ONE with Malcolm Tucker.....
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  Do you recall your first encounter with a atheist? What was your thought?

  by jam in

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  growing up in the south everyone i knew believed in god, even the.

  town drunk.

  i remember watching some special tv program around xmas .

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  First atheist I spent time with..... I thought he was dead wrong. We went to college together.

  We went on a trip to a medical school we were both applying to, I mocked and argued with him all the way there and back.....

  He brings this up alot now lol lol !!!!