This place is like a secret cave full of all the facts you wish you were allowed to know about the society.....
I think A LOT more people are coming here than we realise....
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Is it true that elders lurk the forums?
by make yourself init seems like it is one huge contradiction.
but are they doing it for the purpose to try to guess exactly who in the congregation is on ex jw sites?
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No frankie and before I saw your reply I edited it because that is not the message I was conveying. I meant to say science pays no or little attention to such claims as these, those of us who live, breathe,mconsume science all day for fun, are here on the forum and listening......
It isn't like you are being shut down and stopped from speaking or that people with scientific approaches refuse to discuss these possibilities. But there are restrictions on the universe that we know about, so if ideas break those rules, there has to be extraordinary amount of evidence to present them as a possibility.
I realise that you are a free thinking person that sees no restrictions, which is cool, I am almost envious. Come on, You have just spoken to me about DMT and ayhausca, clearly I am not a closed minded, cob webbed, old school fart! But be fair.... we are just asking the obvious questions anyone would ask...and I personally recognise these scientific laws and restrictions do exist.
....but I do like group hugs :D x...... oh cofty did it again....
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WHISTLE BLOW...... Time out guys....
In honesty Kate having just read this thread, you said you were intimidated by Viviane when you were just a lurker on the site, yet you were a registered member long before she ever started posting, she is actually new here. Also her posts are very accurate and to the point, when I used to come here as a JW, that is what I was looking for personally, not anecdotal opinion or beliefs. Sometimes science and fact is seen as harsh, cold, miltaristic statements. But that is the bias of the reader, when the poster simply says 'you are wrong about that this is what is actually true' it is the reader who adds emotion, conflict, attack.... what was said word for word was simply correct. The watchtower wanted us to hug someone as we fed them the knowledge book, or live forever book. Love bombing does work. But we don't do that in real life, we shouldn't do it here. The information should stand by merit not how it was said. We don't hug people as we tell them they are incorrect on astro physics... we just say in honesty...hey, that isn't quite right! Do you know what I mean? There is no need to add fake love, a fake friendship.... we are discussing facts about astrophysics lol. Also it got very confrontational the moment someone asked questions... the confrontational tone was set by others as I read it.
Come on Village Girl....Viviane was correct from the start, the whole of modern physics including e=mc2 is founded in space and time being intertwined or as Einstein called it, the fabric of time and space.
I find Viviane's posts were succinct and to the point, others became personal, others introduced motives and unpleasant comments.
There seems to be a clash on this forum at the moment between the scientific and the non. The scientific, it is true, needs to respect that not everyone is educated on scientific method, but at the very least the non scientific need to accept that when they make extraordinary claims or claim to quote science...they will have people ask them questions about it. It is a forum!
Village girl was in fact incorrect and was simply quoting from physics forums, this kind of thing irks people with sincere interest beacause it poor practice as she knowsl and that is why sources are provided by scientists. Not only that her quote was proving her to be incorrect.
Can you imagine how frustrating it is to see that, someone poorly referencing a scientific quote that also makes evident what they are saying is wrong? Do we just say nothing? Do we just ignore it? It is a common occurence here, it is going on right now in the shark evolution thread too, with a poster quoting bing search results as evidence, not even reading the results which without realising it are answering his own complaint and doubts.
There will always be misunderstanding between scientific minds and those who explore the unknown without scientific restrictions, we should embrace each other, I agree. BUT the explorers must accept that we have a mountain of facts long discovered already.... so when exploring , if you contradict one of these OF COURSE we will mention it.
By the way, Frankie and Village Girl, most scientifically minded people wouldn't even glance at this kind of thing and would leave you to believe what you want. We are here, you have our attention, we are listening..... but don't get annoyed when we ask you questions! We are all onthe same side!
Ok, now we can have a group hug....Ohhh, Cofty just squeezed my ass!
snare x
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Shark Evolution
by metatron inhttp://descrier.co.uk/science/fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fossil-discovery-shows-model-evolution-sharks.
i used to consider sharks to be evidence for creation - and against evolution because it was stated that they are largely unchanged after millions of years ( hence, 'what evolution?')..
that's not the case, however.
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No ....not less evolved....as if their is a seeking to attain a golden level of sharkness....an ultimate evolved shark!
But less evolved as in, they thought that sharks had not been as altered by their enviroment as much as they were.
Satanus, hit pause....what are you claiming more evolved and less evolved refers to?
This is it simply... to evolve is to adapt to your enviroment....
They used to think that sharks had not evolved much because their enviroment didnt alter hugely.
NOW we see that over time they have actually made significant changes not yet detected, like to their teeth as YOUR link said.
The quotes from YOUR link that I posted explain it exactly! They had evolved more over time than first thought!
I don't understand what you are even trying to say! Scientists have been consistant on this since Darwin, you just dont understand it so it is confusing you. That is fine....but don't denounce a whole scientific field, just politely ask for someone to explain it to you!
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Mark Sanderson is NOT an overlapper..
by DATA-DOG ini had the opportunity to speak with 5 elders at once recently.
they were all gibbering about jw stuff, so i asked , who was the first fds?!?!
it must have been rutherford, right??
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Even here, the time people waste discussing what a verse may mean having been past on by word of mouth for centuries, copied and translated many times over.... as if there is any accuracy to it's meaning anyway, all the while they could have graduated a law degree or researched a cure for a disease...
These are all things really going on in the world, we need people with time and energy, and so much is wasted.
Part of me wonders if it is a lazy version of doing valuble work and research, pouring through Revelation as if the words still have any legitimacy in a modern english translation, instead of slogging through real research, real exams, real hard work! Anyone can read a bible verse and have a unique intepretation, so much so it won't be unique!
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Mark Sanderson is NOT an overlapper..
by DATA-DOG ini had the opportunity to speak with 5 elders at once recently.
they were all gibbering about jw stuff, so i asked , who was the first fds?!?!
it must have been rutherford, right??
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I was in my sisters house revising for an exam one weekend, studying cardiology. On the table was a Watchtower for the sunday meeting that day. I picked it up and had a read.... it was debating why angels hadn't written any bible texts and suggested it was because of their inability to feel any human emotions. I immediately thought ..."what about their urges to have sex with women before the flood? What about their anger at jesus when he spoke to them, what about their jealousy for god's worship?" These were all things I was taught as a JW, they can't even keep up with their own b.s!
It dawned on me and I laughed to myself.....I spent 25 years debating nonsense, answering up, learning and consuming garbage! What an utter waste of time! The obvious polar opposite being the revision I was doing and the knowledge I held within the textbook in my hands.
So when I hear of JW's debating utter garbage, it makes me think of what the real world is researching and debating, it makes Watchtower appear centuries behind, because it is. JW's waited 20 years to be told new light on a definition for 'this generation'.....it becoming obvious when, once more, nothing happened based on their old predictions.
Meanwhile, the world was discovering boson's......
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Mark Sanderson is NOT an overlapper..
by DATA-DOG ini had the opportunity to speak with 5 elders at once recently.
they were all gibbering about jw stuff, so i asked , who was the first fds?!?!
it must have been rutherford, right??
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Meanwhile in the real world......
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Evolution is just a theory
by donny infor those who have heard this comment, check out aron ra's great site.. http://www.aronra.com/.
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Put it this way cold steel.... if you think that photo is literal.... it isn't..... it is neither science or fact. It is a bing search result!
That picture is not what any scientist from Darwin on has EVER said, funny how christians believe it and have seen that phoyo everywhere.
Why are you so lazy about checking facts? Do you not want to know the answers? I don't comprehend someone who goesno further than typing into a search engine and assuming that is enough....
These are specialist topics, they require scientific literacy and significant understanding.... results from a search engine, produced by everyone and anyone is meaningless.
I think you are a troll, so I am tapping my tag team buddy, the ultimate warrior and hopping over the ropes....
Mr H Hogan
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An important difference between atheists and true believers
by Hortensia intrue believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.
atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.
http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).
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Prologos:
Beleivers sacrifice the desire for evidence for the desire for comfort.
Atheists sacrifice the desire for comfort for the desire for evidence.
So believers believe they have a moral monopoly, the holy texts tell them so, that must be and I remember myself was comforting. They also believe they have a purpose, they believe they will live on after they die. They believe they will see dead loved ones again. Many believe they will be young and healthy again. For all these things there is no evidence. They choose comfort over evidence. There is no right or wrong here, I am just replying to the opening post. Likewise, going on, with the atheists, they chase evidence and sacrifice any idea of after life, ressurections, returning to youth or cures. They make their own purpose in life. It is a heavy loss when leaving religion, alkin to being told all your youth that when you turn 45 you will inherit several million, only to find out that this promise was a lie. The money was never there, it was never true, but still you feel a loss.
I wouldn't believe any atheist who said said they did not sacrifice some comfort in becoming an atheist & due to the restrictions of observing and testing the supernatural, every believer has had to sacrifice a need for evidence, hence they have faith.
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Evolution is just a theory
by donny infor those who have heard this comment, check out aron ra's great site.. http://www.aronra.com/.
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Cold steel, when you can define evolution THEN you can crowbar it into your belief systems.
Add to that "Atheism has not made society more intelligent, more tolerant, more humane, nor has it improved science or even the way people vote."
What on earth do any of these things have to do with the TRUTH of whether there is a god or not?
I certainly hope you are not claiming your religion has done these things? You need to show proof... because I have never seen evidence of it. Quite the opposite.
"There is evidence that within the U.S. strong disparities in religious belief versus acceptance of evolution are correlated with similarly varying rates of societal dysfunction, the strongly theistic, anti-evolution south and mid-west having markedly worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems than the northeast where societal conditions, secularization, and acceptance of evolution approach European norms."
"Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the more secular, pro-evolution democracies have, for the first time in history, come closest to achieving practical “cultures of life” that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex related dysfunction, and even abortion. The least theistic secular developed democracies such as Japan, France, and Scandinavia have been most successful in these regards. The non-religious, pro-evolution democracies contradict the dictum that a society cannot enjoy good conditions unless most citizens ardently believe in a moral creator. The widely held fear that a Godless citizenry must experience societal disaster is therefore refuted. Contradicting these conclusions requires demonstrating a positive link between theism and societal conditions in the first world with a similarly large body of data – a doubtful possibility in view of the observable trends."
2005, the Kripke Center Study “Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies"
Why did you bring it up? Will you ignore evidence and facts again? Now YOU have brought it up...LOOK the evidence says you have been lied to AGAIN!
Willing to research it? Hopefully a little more seriously than your examination of evolution?
Or...after seeing the evidence above....will you claim everyone is out to get you and your belief system, just like the JW's said... it is persecution, it is satan the devil... it is the demons, it is the atheists...it is the muslims? It is a conspiracy by people who dont want to serve or worship your god?
Really?
How about letting one go to the evidence.... your belief system CAN harm socierty, remember the dark ages? That was the same bible, same jesus, same god!
What about retracting your comments about atheism as it seems to be evidently untrue?
Refuse to do that.......ask yourself....why ?????
