yes Lisa, it's great isn't it.
Thanks jgnat x
Band, thats interesting I didn't realise the bar worked like that.
What is truth: thanks, let me know how it goes! x
i have never had teaching on memory, i have never really had any advice given to me on memory, but i think it is something we would all benefit from knowing, even at a young age.
as we know how our brains make connections now, it seems a missed resource that they don't overtly teach memory methods in school to suit our anatomy and physiology.. anyway, for those that are interested in discussing it and have sought out your own methods, i am interested to hear them!!!.
everyone has slightly different memorising techniques, i am a very visual learner and i have a very visual memory.
yes Lisa, it's great isn't it.
Thanks jgnat x
Band, thats interesting I didn't realise the bar worked like that.
What is truth: thanks, let me know how it goes! x
i have never had teaching on memory, i have never really had any advice given to me on memory, but i think it is something we would all benefit from knowing, even at a young age.
as we know how our brains make connections now, it seems a missed resource that they don't overtly teach memory methods in school to suit our anatomy and physiology.. anyway, for those that are interested in discussing it and have sought out your own methods, i am interested to hear them!!!.
everyone has slightly different memorising techniques, i am a very visual learner and i have a very visual memory.
I have never had teaching on memory, I have never really had any advice given to me on memory, but I think it is something we would all benefit from knowing, even at a young age. As we know how our brains make connections now, it seems a missed resource that they don't overtly teach memory methods in school to suit our anatomy and physiology.
Anyway, for those that are interested in discussing it and have sought out your own methods, I am interested to hear them!!!
Everyone has slightly different memorising techniques, I am a very visual learner and I have a very visual memory. In school I would be able to recite the poetry etc, by seeing the image in my mind. There are downsides to a visual memory, once you go beyond a few apples and oranges, it is very hard to visualise math. I can be very good at math, but for very short periods of time! Weird hey.
So I got really interested in memory at university. I was always told I had a good memory by family etc, but I assumed everyone had a bank of images they collated & simply accessed when required, all with trigger words and associations. Though I had this memory, for medical school, it simply was not refined or efficient enough. I think I developed my visual memory from reading books and having to use an imagination whilst reading. But I can't be sure.
The first thing I read about, concerning memory, was chess players. Chess players don't really actually play chess. They play chess moves they have memorised. The key is having the memory to remember the best move for the scenario you are in. Studies have been done that show they access memory in a very organised way. Rather than a scenario (a question) resulting in access to its specific chess move memory (the answer), the memory of the chess player is unboxed in stages. So several memories are involved between the question and the answer. These memories are the context of the chess game. It is easily applied to medicine, so I can give an example, I don't know chess to be able to explain it. The question could be why wre someone's hands cold? Rather than going straight to the answer of 'blood circulation' as a memory answer, the best way is in stages, as it is impossible to memorise all possible answers to all questions. So step one, heat is brought via the blood, from the heart, via vasculature, to the peripheries, so cold hands are due to poor circulation. That is how a chess player unboxes the memory also, in stages.
But this is how to access memory, how do you get it there in the first place? It is important to know, you can train your memory. There are competitions and training regimes that anyone can use. The best is called 'The Method of Loci' and this is the system the memory competitors use and I used it in medical school. Derren Brown also uses this method and explains it well, below. But basically, we know the mind makes connections in real time based on what we are seeing, smelling and hearing and feeling, then makes a memory. So this is why words, music, smells, sounds, imagery can recall memories. Likewise knowing this, we can use these mechanisms to memorise vast volumes of data. The key is to associate it with a memorable place, a location.
When I first read this, I misapplied it totally. I made notes and used colours and drew images to try to consume as much information as possible. I did well enough to pass exams and do well, but there is a far superior system to learn...'The Loci Method' has a few such as the memory palace,,or the journey.
This method, has you imagining either a journey or a place. So you could walk down a path, imagined in your memory, with grass either side etc and you could meet people along the way or pick up objects on the side of the road. The alternative to learning a jouney is to imagine a place, usually a building, I myself did this and made a house, or as some call it a memory palace. Here is an example. There are a few principles in medicine that are complex and very similair to each other, so it is easy to mix up. But in my memory palace, in the bathroom (chosen because of the topic) there is a plumber called Al throwing bananas into the toilet and two maids called Angie turning on taps until salt is thrown at them. So Al is ALDOSTERONE, which causes you to excrete potassium and the maids called Angie are Angieotensin 2 which control blood pressure through urine excretion and salt absorption. The use of a bathroom relates to it being a urology memory.
Ignore the science, the principle of the technique is there and it works very, very well. Add to this method word asociation which is VERY useful and together the memory can be hugely expanded. If you want to remember something, know that going over it 3 times within 2 days is important. Imagine it, see it, smell it, hear it. Play it forwards, play it backwards. Before long you can do these things very quickly and on the fly.
For very important things, emergency situations, medics tend to use word association. Everyone knows ABCDE airway, breathing circulation, disability, exposure...the key to basic life support.
So heart attack treatment I remember as MI MONAC B
Myocardial infarction (heart attack): morphine, oxygen, nitrates, asprin 300, clopidogrel 300, beta blockers. Just as with the chess player there is more unpacking, so morphine for pain and it helps open up arteries, nitrates give 3 puffs of spray only if the blood pressure is good, asprin and clopidogrel at 300mg, beta blockers if the heart rate is high.
or
Life threatening asthma attack I memorised as OSHITME....oxygen, salbutamol,hydrocortisone, ipratropium, theophyline, magnesium, escalate to ITU.
There are so many of these to learn, if you do them for long enough and they are just part of your memory. When I hear of a heart attack, I think MONAC-B
Just as with the chess player, memories are unpackaged in stages, like a russian doll. So if the drugs for a heart attack changed, the MONAC can easily be changed to MOAC for example. Or as Derren explains, the journey/memory palace can be rewritten daily to suit things you need to remember that day.
Instead of just trying to know by memory all the treatments for all scenarios, which is almost impossible, this system works a treat.
Anyway, I find memory a very interetintopic, anyone out there use interesting memory methods?
Snare x
P.s. apologies for the medical jargon
i have been posting into the forum since 2001(my previous avatar was "justhuman" and when forum changed to net, i couldn't retrieve my old avatar so i had to use a similar one and log in again).
almost 15 years are gone.
made some friends here, including mr flipper and one that i really miss dearly is oompa.
bye bro, we are always here....
new handill for convention: see the relationship here: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/.
note: i'm not saying the wt is part of the illuminati, just noticing the use of "a world goverment"..
who let Alex Jones loose....?
the prophet from the stars, mr isaac asimov made some predictions for 2014, (please note the lack of ambigous monsters of several heads and horns)....he was very, very specific all the way back in 1964..... communications will become sight-sound and you will see as well as hear the person you telephone.
the screen can be used not only to see the people you call but also for studying documents and photographs and reading passages from books.
synchronous satellites hovering in space will make it possible for you to direct-dial any spot on earth.. by 2014, only unmanned ships will have landed on mars, though a manned expedition will be in the work.. gadgetry will continue to relieve mankind of tedious jobs.
no I havent, is that the one where he talks about the star trek technology?
cofty: they exist you know... I'm amazed he got that one right!
this excellent 4 minute video will help to clear up a few common misunderstandings regarding evolution.. ....
Atrapado, if you watch a child from birth to old age, at what minute did he become an adult? Could you specify even an hour, or a day? A month? Even a year? Tiny incremental changes that even over 70 years are not observable in real time can't be pinned down.
We evolved as human over hundreds of thousands of years, our ancestors going back millions. Just as there is no day where a baby suddenly becomes an adult, there is no point where BANG human ancestors became human. We still have their DNA and some traits to this day.
75% of people have a plamaris longus muscle in their hand and wrist, useful for holding onto branches. It simply does not work how you imagine it does, making your suggestion 100% impossible.
It isn't that we are pissing on your bonfire, I like how you have thought about it, but biology and evolution just dont work in such a clean cut, linear fashion as would be required by your suggestion. The reason we dont need fossils anymore in studying evolution,,is because all organisms have their ancestors coding in every cell, in the DNA. We have coding for tails, webbed hands, our organs even distribute as our ancestor fish did, making our anatomy innnefficiently placed. So from fish to human, sticking a flag in a point of time or set of genes doesn't help. Add to that we are still evolving right now, so even if we did what you said (though impossible) it would change instantly as we evolve at every generation, but all at a different rate and in wildly different ways, depending on our enviroment.
what did you imagine would happen?
did they react the way you expected?
how did you bring it up?.
Wow amazing stories, I was young and single and that was hard enough, much respect and thanks for sharing,
BU2B you are the reason I am replying, I really feel for you buddy. They have designed it into the belief system, it is scary to leave. I remember, it really, really is. All I can tell you is, that bibble you live in is false, and one day you step through it, you say enough is enough and......nothing.....the world didn't end. There are consequences from other peoole making judgments on you, but soon you realise, that is their weakness,,their blindness, their ignorance, their issue snd most importantly, thir conscience.
I have always said, I can understand staying for a loved one, but rsising a child in those lies is another matter. I think you are a very brave person for getting this far. Maybe some more research to concrete yourself into knowing you are in the right will help? I spent 5 years researching before I left and I found it easier because I simply knew they were lying, being lied to and ultimately wrong. It made hard desicions a lot easier.
I hooe we can be supportive and helpful for you buddy, keep us informed x
snare
had an interesting discussion at work today.
sat down at a table with 4 of my younger workers.
somehow it came up that one's mother was a jehovah witness, and one had dated a jw girl before.
it's so true! I was so embarassed when I heard what people thought of JW's!
All those CV's where I proudly mentioned my JW beliefs, a rubber stamp that I was honest, hard working, I had even been a full time preacher....
.....IN THE BIN....
i was curious what might be some good things to say if i am questioned by the elduurs about my decline in fs.
anything too honest may get me a jc (although that would be for the best in the end..) the co visit is this week so they may be getting more agressive than usual.
just say your relationship with god and spirituality is a very personal thing and right now, you are considering much. Say that you are greatful for their interest but would rather not discuss it with them right now. If you feel the need, you will indeed ssk them for help.
true believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.
atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.
http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).
We have SO MUCH in common here with each other. This is a big planet and JW's are a tiny minority, even smaller is the number of people that were churned out of that cult, in pain and suffering. We have all experienced suffering at the hands of a wierd cult most peoole know nothing at all about. Simply put, we only have each other to turn to, if looking for understanding for what we have gone through.
We are a unique bunch that very few understand, we have each other and I value that highly. I do love to come here and promote science and evidence, it is all the things I wish I had knowledge of, before I said "Yes" three times and got in that pool. I don't come to argue, debate or verbally masturbate, I come to vent a frustration at wasted time in a cult, I come & hope to help someone find information and evidence they are looking for. It is almost a letter to my younger self...
We are ex JW's, there is no need to then seperate into religious and atheist camps. There are FAR more religious topics here than atheist or scientific. But that is ok. There is some clashing of minds, from my perspective the same people arrive at threads on science and evolution, hijacking them with questions they don't want answers to. Atheists, yes we do shitty things too, I am so tempted to go to the thread on prayer and show the research that proves it makes people MORE unwell, it is a well known study... but 9/10 times, I don't do that , I leave them to discuss their beliefs.
But seriously, there is no need for us to be so confrontational. as for science and evidence, it is not OUR evidence or OUR science, we are not the people to debate or prove wrong. Take your opposing evidence collated via the scientific method, to the academic world. You will change the world if you are right. But until you do, respect that we are only here sharing knowledge not yet proved wrong and with evidence supporting it.
I for my part feel religious beliefs and scientific theories are not equal, but that does not mean I don't respect you or respect your right to a view. This is often misunderstood, because I dont respect the actual beliefs, says nothing for how I feel about the person.
I guess one ore big difference between atheists and religion, is that it just isn't personal with us. feel free to question me, challenge my beleifs all day. If the evidence changes tommorow, so will I. There is no personal attachment to what I believe, it is just based on evidence. I remember well, just how personal my religious beliefs were however and though I respect that it can be so personal to some, not believing I obviously don't respect the claims themselves. But I think it is often misintepreted as being personal disrespect. On a religious apostate forum, advocating science, it is a bit of a minefield for us...
Ahh man why can't we just hug again...