Posts by snare&racket

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OMG I'm so happy!!!!

by Julia Orwell in

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friends

yup, the apostate is happy.

i shouldn't be, right, because my life is empty without "jehovah" and the organisation.. but i just got a job at one of the best theme parks in the world, which is so what i want to do, and it's the first permanent job i've had since i lost my government job in 2012!.

the job pays minimum wage but i don't care because working in tourism and entertainment is what i want to do!

snare&racket

Oooh free rides?

I am super chuffed for you.....Life is short and we must pursue happiness, whatever floats your boat! Sail on Sister! xxx

p.s. I look forward to reading your book.....I remember your first posts here :D How far you have come xxx

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

snare&racket

disp hero... I have not experienced that. I spent a good 5 years taking apart the JW doctrines and bible before I let it all go. I had to as my mind felt so entangled and I had no way of deciding which way was up ir down, what was good or bad etc.

Forgive me, maybe I am wrong, but maybe the filters are coming back because you haven't fully let go?

Maybe you mean something minor, like how you see people. My assumption is you mean something more significant, for example many leave the JW's but remain convinced the world is getting worse before their eyes! ...... Despite ALL the data proving otherwise.

If I misunderstoood, apologies. If I didn't, I really reccomend you research everything to the tiniest detail. It all falls apart so quickly and the ties of the judeo-christian beleif sytem fall apart alongside it. The filters, lens and indoctrination simply disintegrate without thought.

I have 100% sincerely not had even a moment of belief or doubt, of questioning, guilt, concern, fear etc since researching the hell out of everything. By finding out the facts, you end up not having to deconstruct or choose any beliefs, the facts decide it all for you.....

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

snare&racket

Drewcoul....I partly agree. The Watchtower literally promise the earth, perfect health, no death, to be young again, to see the dead again.... they go for every human want and fear.

Who wouldn't want it? ...true.

But to have it.... everyone else has to.....die.

Now, I would rather die a young man than live forever in exchange for billions of deaths. In reality not one person should die for my paradise earth hope and the idea now sickens me. It is a horrid doctrine. I could NEVER subscribe to that again.

As for the people you have lost. You never had them. True friends don't give a shit what you belive in. It is a painful, bitter pill to swallow. But it is true.They were people that just happened to attend the same brick building as you, twice weekly. Sorry, but it is true.

A true friendship is not conditional.

I found it hard too, I lost people I cared about. But now I have friends that like me for me, not for my desicion to share their world view.

Snare x

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Relationship with Jehovah?

by Batman89 in

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friends

when you were a devout jw.

did you feel that you had an actual "relationship" with jehovah/god just from praying to him and reading the wt or bible?.

or that this was actually even possible deep down?.

snare&racket

"Mocking about people passing through walls? Physics now says that we are all just light and energy and matter and energy are interchangeable."

I like how you think VG, but I must contest this. The higgs boson field gives all things mass and makes these things impossible. It is one of our most recent confirmations in physics and it proves the exact opposite to what you are saying, Modern physics is astounding, but it has yet to offer evidence of the divine or of anything supernatural. People have started using what they believe quantum mechanics to mean, to explain away all sorts of belief. The problem being their misunderstanding of the quantum physics.

I'm no expert either, but despite us being made of matter, with consumption of energy states, interacting with light....we still have mass, as does the avergae wall.

This idea you are discussing comes from the misconceptions having heard that we are made of atoms and that atoms are largely empty space as is the case with the wall. But in reality, that empty space has forces acting on it and every attempt to walk through a wall shows the reality of those atomic forces. The best evidence being "ouch!"

Snare x

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My Child Has Asked Me to Divorce Husband

by HeyThere in

i guess i am just venting.

its a mess.

i just dont even know where to start with this crap.

snare&racket

Tell him you no longer want to,be a JW.

If you think he will report you, don't tellhim why, you will be df as apostate.

If he won't budge and you no longer feel happy, then the desicion is obvious really.

We get one life.... every day that ticks by is gone....spend it wisely.

Spend it with the right person xxx

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How many times did you get deleted?

by insearchoftruth4 in

removed like the gong show.

i lost count somewhere after the 3rd time.

on a t school nite about 6 pm i stopped by the s/oversneers house... he had the instruction talk, i had the bible highlights and a service meeting part, we shot a few baskets and drank couple of glasses of.

snare&racket

It's like reading the sunday morning mumbles of Hunter S Thompson......

Village Girl...fly's spread disease....keep em' closed!

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

snare&racket

cheers sparrow, I must look that up, seriously thanks x

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My Child Has Asked Me to Divorce Husband

by HeyThere in

i guess i am just venting.

its a mess.

i just dont even know where to start with this crap.

snare&racket

Straight up.....

The Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult, it is a dangerous one too.

Ask anyome here if they would like their childhood again with the option of not being a JW and see how many people would give limbs and life years away to have their youth back.

Give your child a chance.... if it is not a healthy enviroment get them out. It is a lie and a misconception to 'stick it out for the kids.' Two happy seperated parents is 100x better than two unhappy parents. Trust me!

Snare x

P.s. I would never usually be so direct on such a personal and real issue. I guarantee everyone here pines for the years they lost to WT daily, you have the means to prevent that, it is so,so,so easy to leave....so, so easy. Just simply do it xxx It is the best gift you can give them.

Then get them working damn hard in school, find out what they want to be and help them get there! You won't regret it in 20 years time.

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My Story

by objectivetruth in

i'm 30 years old, and i was raised in the organization, my parents and grandparents are witnesses.. i grew up in a small town, and due to boredom or adhd or rebellion, i never took 2 minutes to look into the religion.. i always went to meetings and field service.

my parents were regular, but never "super-witnesses" so it was always the thing we did (meetings and service) not much more and nothing less.. the congregation, that i grew up in was for the most part friendly and enjoyable.. small towns, are very unique and they cannot be compared to larger city congregations.. i honk that they are a living and breathing organism, depending on the coordinators personality, so goes the personality of the congregation.

thi king back, most of the people in the town that i grew up were good people, just simple hard working & honest people... i really long for the innocence, of the time when this was the truth, and there were no worries.. driving to the conventions at 3 am with my dad and another brother, them slicing meat, me sneaking around the halls of the college, getting into all kinds of things.. conventions were a really special time for me... when i was young me and my friends would run around, messing around, pulling pranks on people, getting into forbidden areas.. running in the hall ways.

snare&racket

Dude, I feel sorry for you.

I remember these feelings too. There is no nice way of going about discussing it, only that I am glad I have faced the reality of it all. I hope you don't mind me discussing it with you.

I also grew up in a small village, in a rural region. The Organisation was perfect to me. The religion was a safe haven and all the members were righteous. Yes they were human and made mistakes, but it was still special. This is how I felt at about 12 years old.

Let's cut to 21 years of age where I realise that most JW's have sex before marriage, I really mean most! I remember a party where someone asked 'who has had sex?' and I was the only one to say no. I was astounded by the pioneers and young JW's around me, all up to all sorts. Also, most got drunk, went clubbing and oral sex was standard. I soon relaxed a little and enjoyed the dance/club scene. I ignored the stories of elders son's having sex in car parks, elders kids smoking, taking drugs etc, the secret elders kids private reproofs, like confession in a catholic church. One guy comes to mind this day, I am sure his squeeky clean wife knows nothing of the life he lived, nobody in his hall did either. I never liked him much. He talked JW doctrine and scripture like a pro, then spent weekends doing things that would make Sodom blush. Whenever something came out, he just talked to his elder dad and got a "private wrist slap."

(It isn't the behaviour I now condemn, he was a young normal lad! It was the hyocrisy and the different rules for elders kids).

There was so much if it going on, it wasn't as if you could report it, besides by this age I relaised the whole 'reporting' people was also b.s. I knew of elders wives having affairs...through half the hall gossiping. I remember going to the elder because nobody else would and realising that nobody really believed in this system, nobody really lived by the JW rules. Everyone knew this elders wife was messing around and didn't say a word. I did, I felt sorry for him. I was told I had done the right thing by elders who I knew had known and said nothing. It was confusing until...I realised nobody really follows the doctrines. They just keep quiet about it.

Even the elders were not what I thought. They were mostly all egomaniacs who drank too much and were unpleasant with their family. They gave their mates the best jobs at the assemblies, they gossiped about people that weren't 'hip'...but were nice to their faces. I remember elders having affairs with several sisters in my area, it wasn't rare. There is an elder im my old hall that whilst an elder, messed around his wife's sister and still has obviously not 'confessed' to it as he remains an elder. I long ago shrugged my shoulders of all their behaviour.

I remember being on a district assembly interview item and I had my version of what happened.....and then there was the DO And CO's version of what I had experienced. It was all so dishonest, coerced and manufactured. They even told me how to dress on the day to get noticed.

This is when I realised that it was likely that most maybe werent like me in the JW's. It then hit me,..maybe they didn't even really believe the doctrines! I started to think about this more and saw evidence of it everywhere.

I went to bethel when I was 18 and was shocked to see how human it was, how cold and distant it was. It was just so mechanical.By the time I started questioning the bible and Watchtower teachings, I was very far from the 12 year old boy in a small village.

Everything you have described feeling and experiencing, is commonplace and normal when leaving a belief system. But it is important to realise it was all a lie and you will never find that magical kingdom you once believed in because it didn't even exist then! We were kids, life was awesome, that is why we remember it so well. But.... At the same time I was first being told about a paradise, Ray Franz an ex governing body member, was being outcast for daring to question what was obviously untrue. He was DF'd and thrown away for asking the obvious, for penning his thoughts on Watchtower scandal, hypocrisy and ego in the governing body! Paedophilia, bethel homosexuality (nothing wrong with it, but hypocritical) and secret mansions, and miracle wheat and pyramidology and ......... all before the years we felt the organisation was perfect.....

It never was.

Then I learned of stocks and shares owned in military companies, in companies selling tobacco....Of the paedophile cover up's.... Of the UN NGO cover up. The list goes on and on...

I would love to talk with you more, I can't sleep hence I am here, but I do need to go to work in a few hours so I have to go try rest.

But you need to realise sex is not wrong, marriage is an ancient pagan tradition, the bible condones genocide, racism, slavery and infanticide.... chill out if you have some shellfish or enjoy a beautiful woman (or man), the HONEST truth is, we are all the same buddy!

The governing body masturbate! The governing body swear, they fart, they wipe their ass with their hands and they snore in their sleep. They all have sexual urges and act on them.

The JW LIFE is a life NOBODY HAS or CAN EVER live up to. That is why they all pretend to! Just nobody admits that they are all pretending. It is such a farce!

What is worse, the likes of me and you (and I believe many on this forum) were even unique in the JW's. We actually believed it. We actually trued to live it! We actually expected elders to have good advice.....

But come on....2 window cleaners and a painter and decorator didnt have the magic answer to our problem and we are suprised by that?

Of course they don't have the answers!

I have the feeling you still haven't let go of the belief system. You sound smart, I am sure you know the faults and issues, but I detect a hunger for a perfect world, with a paradise earth that you just don't want to let go of.........That is why they promised it to us!

It isn't even in the bible..... find ONE verse that even says 'paradise earth'.....

I think you will feel better if you finally meet this issue head on. Get your bible out. Get your history books out, Get the science books out.

Figure out what is true and what isn't and start from there!

snare x

p.s. human behaviour does not dictate whether a religion is true or not by the way.... but it certainly smashes down the illusion of it being special.

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Relationship with Jehovah?

by Batman89 in

jw
friends

when you were a devout jw.

did you feel that you had an actual "relationship" with jehovah/god just from praying to him and reading the wt or bible?.

or that this was actually even possible deep down?.

snare&racket

I have helped a few friends and family leave. The hardest was someone who was happy to accept that the JW doctrines were wrong and that the organisation had gone wayward (after about 3 years of discussions) as many JW's feel this anyway.

The hardest issue was that they felt they had a relationship with this person called Jehovah and it meant more to them than anything.

Here is how I tackled it after much thought.

First I tackled the name itself, I showed them how it was formed from the sentence YHWH and the vowels feom adonai. I showed them that the scholars had realiaed this and taken it out of the KJ bible and this is a huge wake up call in itself. With JW's putting so much emphasis in the name, to easily show the name is wrong does much, not just for the beliefs in the religion but in the friendship they have with this imaginary father figure.

The most potent discussions came next where we spent months talking about who her god was. It began with me saying she had been sold another lie, that the god she imagined, the bearded man who looked down and cared about her was not in the bible. It was an imagined character that religions use to satisfy all our natural desires, for such a fatherly person to exist. Not only that, but he isn't even in the bible!

I asked her to find me the sweet friendly, fatherly god in the bible she imagined. For every one of the handful of ambigous nice verses.....ask for bread and he will give it.....there were literally hundreds of horrid ones. He will give you bread if you ask for it (even though he never does) but the same guy also commanded the bellies of pregant women to be sliced open. He will look agter the lillies, but he drowned millions of his own children in a rage of anger. He talks of forgiveness but established a legal framework for slavery and kidnap and sexist, sexual enslavement. He talks of being a father then asks a man to kill his only son on an altar to him. He talks of protecting his children but then allows satan to kill Job's kids, he uses a bear to kill several children for calling a bald man 'baldy', he commands the murder of children in several opposing nations, he commits every child to sufdering, disease and death over an apple and every JW prays for the day he kills billions of old, young, infant, women and men.

The silly analogies of from Watchtower of an exterminator who must exterminate the bugs to protect the house, suddenly seem sickening, not logical,

Everybody likes to imagine their father is a hero, but the god of the bible is a maniac. A horrid and evil dictator. The bible itself is the best cure for christian belief.

I remember being in bethel, working a mindless job on a machine at the end of the printing press. I remember spending a lot of time praying and I felt that was a time I was close to my god. In reality it was a time where I was close to my real self. I opened up about my fears, my wants, my needs and my doubts. It felt good.... I soon left bethel and not long after the JW's. When I look back at that time, I know that god didn't speak to me, he didn't show a sign, he didn't respond in any way....just as if he wasn't there or listening. But I was listening!

That time in my life is a sad one, though I enjoyed it at the time. I realised I would not be a JW FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE AND i didnt know how, when or with what consequences it would come about. I remember feeling like I had never been closer to my god, ironic as it has led to a path of research, effort, self examnation and eventually atheism.

It is interesting that the false perception of a being led me to be honest with myself.....talking to him about the things I dared not think about or dwell on, just as we had been instructed.

I do love the irony.....