How very bland.....and that brochure looks awful. They are so far from the pulse of reality nowadays, it's like they don't want to appeal to normal people!
Don't get me wrong....I am glad of this....
jehovah's help break free.. "greedy people".
but the desire to have more money, power and.
helped student.
How very bland.....and that brochure looks awful. They are so far from the pulse of reality nowadays, it's like they don't want to appeal to normal people!
Don't get me wrong....I am glad of this....
once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!
you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.
it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!
DISP HERO:
You will get there buddy.
Can I recommend some books?
Crisis of Conscience, Franz
God is not great, Hitchens
Lost Christianities, B Ehert
The Greatest Show on Earth, Dawkins
p.s. Couldn't sleep last night and I can't believe how bad my spelling and typo's are. I do need to reset my ipad dictionary, but that was ridiculous. Apologies to anyone it annoyed, I am not good at the best of times.
Sorry x
tried to get into jw.net twice but a popup informed me that the official website of jw's is jw.org.
this was about 2 hours back.
anybody with a similar experience?.
Don't do it....by doing it you are playing along with their game, their rules... 'disassociation' doesn't exist outside the crazy land of Wootower.
By simply leaving you have decided to take back control from them.
Now keep it.
Snare x
p.s put the gun down....slowly...
yup, the apostate is happy.
i shouldn't be, right, because my life is empty without "jehovah" and the organisation.. but i just got a job at one of the best theme parks in the world, which is so what i want to do, and it's the first permanent job i've had since i lost my government job in 2012!.
the job pays minimum wage but i don't care because working in tourism and entertainment is what i want to do!
Oooh free rides?
I am super chuffed for you.....Life is short and we must pursue happiness, whatever floats your boat! Sail on Sister! xxx
p.s. I look forward to reading your book.....I remember your first posts here :D How far you have come xxx
once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!
you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.
it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!
disp hero... I have not experienced that. I spent a good 5 years taking apart the JW doctrines and bible before I let it all go. I had to as my mind felt so entangled and I had no way of deciding which way was up ir down, what was good or bad etc.
Forgive me, maybe I am wrong, but maybe the filters are coming back because you haven't fully let go?
Maybe you mean something minor, like how you see people. My assumption is you mean something more significant, for example many leave the JW's but remain convinced the world is getting worse before their eyes! ...... Despite ALL the data proving otherwise.
If I misunderstoood, apologies. If I didn't, I really reccomend you research everything to the tiniest detail. It all falls apart so quickly and the ties of the judeo-christian beleif sytem fall apart alongside it. The filters, lens and indoctrination simply disintegrate without thought.
I have 100% sincerely not had even a moment of belief or doubt, of questioning, guilt, concern, fear etc since researching the hell out of everything. By finding out the facts, you end up not having to deconstruct or choose any beliefs, the facts decide it all for you.....
once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!
you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.
it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!
Drewcoul....I partly agree. The Watchtower literally promise the earth, perfect health, no death, to be young again, to see the dead again.... they go for every human want and fear.
Who wouldn't want it? ...true.
But to have it.... everyone else has to.....die.
Now, I would rather die a young man than live forever in exchange for billions of deaths. In reality not one person should die for my paradise earth hope and the idea now sickens me. It is a horrid doctrine. I could NEVER subscribe to that again.
As for the people you have lost. You never had them. True friends don't give a shit what you belive in. It is a painful, bitter pill to swallow. But it is true.They were people that just happened to attend the same brick building as you, twice weekly. Sorry, but it is true.
A true friendship is not conditional.
I found it hard too, I lost people I cared about. But now I have friends that like me for me, not for my desicion to share their world view.
Snare x
when you were a devout jw.
did you feel that you had an actual "relationship" with jehovah/god just from praying to him and reading the wt or bible?.
or that this was actually even possible deep down?.
"Mocking about people passing through walls? Physics now says that we are all just light and energy and matter and energy are interchangeable."
I like how you think VG, but I must contest this. The higgs boson field gives all things mass and makes these things impossible. It is one of our most recent confirmations in physics and it proves the exact opposite to what you are saying, Modern physics is astounding, but it has yet to offer evidence of the divine or of anything supernatural. People have started using what they believe quantum mechanics to mean, to explain away all sorts of belief. The problem being their misunderstanding of the quantum physics.
I'm no expert either, but despite us being made of matter, with consumption of energy states, interacting with light....we still have mass, as does the avergae wall.
This idea you are discussing comes from the misconceptions having heard that we are made of atoms and that atoms are largely empty space as is the case with the wall. But in reality, that empty space has forces acting on it and every attempt to walk through a wall shows the reality of those atomic forces. The best evidence being "ouch!"
Snare x
i guess i am just venting.
its a mess.
i just dont even know where to start with this crap.
Tell him you no longer want to,be a JW.
If you think he will report you, don't tellhim why, you will be df as apostate.
If he won't budge and you no longer feel happy, then the desicion is obvious really.
We get one life.... every day that ticks by is gone....spend it wisely.
Spend it with the right person xxx
removed like the gong show.
i lost count somewhere after the 3rd time.
on a t school nite about 6 pm i stopped by the s/oversneers house... he had the instruction talk, i had the bible highlights and a service meeting part, we shot a few baskets and drank couple of glasses of.
It's like reading the sunday morning mumbles of Hunter S Thompson......
Village Girl...fly's spread disease....keep em' closed!
once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!
you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.
it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!
cheers sparrow, I must look that up, seriously thanks x