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  Best Argument for Atheism - In your view.

  by LAWHFol in

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  if crisis of conscience is one of the top watchtower doctrine killers, what is the coc of theism?.

  i'd like to read a book, or other material that does the best job logically arguing for atheism.. i've not read any darwin, however it is my assumption that his focus is primarily on evolution, is this correct?

  if you were to recommend one book or a few pieces of reading material, which do the best job of defending atheism, what would they be?.

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  God is not Great by Christopher Hitchens
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  God is busy with his property portfolio

  by snare&racket in

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  one way i managed to de-programme myself was to imagine the god of the universe being behind the desicions watchtower were making.

  it first came to me when barbara anderson described being in a lift in bethel discussing a property or land sale that didn't go through and her musing over gods involvement.. we are meant to believe that the god who made the universe is behind this...... http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/local/2015/05/12/jehovahs-witnesses-fishkill-tax-exemption/27206609/.

  it stinks of greed, business and grandiose expansion.

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  One way I managed to de-programme myself was to imagine the God of the universe being behind the desicions Watchtower were making. It first came to me when Barbara Anderson described being in a lift in Bethel discussing a property or land sale that didn't go through and her musing over gods involvement.

  We are meant to believe that the God who made the universe is behind this.....

  http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/local/2015/05/12/jehovahs-witnesses-fishkill-tax-exemption/27206609/

  It stinks of greed, business and grandiose expansion. There is no god here.
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  The perpetual End of the World

  by Half banana in

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  one thing common to human culture is a belief that god will punish a dissolute world.

  the earliest reference i have encountered is from a cuneiform tablet 4800 years old:.

  an assyrian clay tablet dating to approximately 2800 bc was unearthed bearing the words "our earth is degenerate in these latter days.

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  I remember walking between two university buildings for a lecture. It was a sunny day, warm, big blue sky. I was surrounded by a few hundred students all crossing the road. Something struck me and I had to stop myself and take it in. It was a real lightning strike moment....

  I had left the JW's about 5 years before and felt very distanced now.

  i looked around and it came to me very quickly, the world is not getting worse, the world is not a bad place to be, it's getting better. I dawned on me that for some years now I had not had the repeated ear bashing that the world was an awful place soon destined for destruction, and the b.s. had worn off..... I liked this world.

  Weird I know, maybe even a little cheesy....but that's how it happened.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses 2015 Regional Convention Saturday PM experience parents shunning children

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  clip 3 minutes long.

  ron and brenda sutton ................warwick 3 children

  it was the missed association with family that brought them back.

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  "So our religion held our kids to ransom, so we had to go back, once we got back, they used us as an example to let others know what we went through."

  Shame on you all.
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  CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF LYING: True teaching cannot become Old Light if it becomes New Light again afterward.

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  watchtower governing body leadership directly impacts 7 million members earth wide.

  would he change a true teaching?

  up to that point christians have obeyed the command at romans 13:1: "let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.

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  "The light getting brighter" does not work as an analogy, it is a piss poor attempt to cover up ineptitude and only fools would accept it as an answer.
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  Reasons there is no God

  by Lemonp in

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  ok, lets assume that god created everything as is, with no evolution involved.

  this is what jw's teach based on a singular vague verse in genesis.

  made according to their types.

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  Most people forget that this planet is dominated by the invisible, far more dangerous and numerous than what we see.

  Bacteria rely on making us sick, their host to survive, they out number everything. Viruses are not technically living but if you subscribe to a god, you have to explain his thinking in designing a machine that gets into a living things cell, corrupts the cells DNA and introduces its own, to the suffering of the host in order to self replicate.
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  having a dark night of the soul

  by Miss Behaving in

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  i'm writing this here because i need someone to talk to, and you're the only folks i know who will understand.

  most of the time i think i'm a pretty happy and together person, but lately, i'll see something that reminds me of my family and i'll spontaneously start crying.

  i miss them so much and my heart keeps breaking, and even though i have kind people i work and volunteer with, i feel so incredibly lonely sometimes.

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  Miss B,

  I assure you, everyone here has felt that pain, loss and distance from home. Those of us who left single, perhaps more so. I moved away to a new area, many a time I realised months, years had gone by and nobody from my life knew whether I was alive or dead, neither did they seem to care. Sometimes I hit hardship, the kind of things where there is no exit without friends and family.... Financial, emotional, personal hardships. But I had to fight on alone.

  I am a good 10+ years down the line now. I hope you give some pause and hear me out as to how I feel.

  Firstly, this is no accident, the WT organisation has designed itself so as to promise the earth (unrealistic) and threaten your life, by taking everyone from it (happens daily). This system is incredibly powerful, very simple and very sadistic. From preventing JWs having non JW friends, to love bombing members from their first visit or birth. The sad reality being, this is not how humans really work, this is not how life is. So the 'love' is very superficial and Kingdom Halls are full of vindictive, judgmental, oppressive groups, usually in the form of families, battling against each other, or competitive brothers and families chasing status.

  The speed at which you are dropped when you leave the JW's is infinitely louder than the silence that follows as they all slowly distance and cut you off. You simply can't disagree with 8 men in Brooklyn and maintain your friends and family.....now how wrong is that?

  Would you EVER want to support that system again?

  Miss B, you are obviously a decent person with emotions and feelings in tact, I guarantee, you would return only to feel lost and alone once more, yes amongst the people you miss, but they deep under a spell that you no longer are and forbidden to ever even hint at it.

  So what to do? They steal lives from people and via threat maintain order. It's a game we no longer play, we are free of them. We live short, fragile lives and already much has been stolen advertising a heartless, aggressive, unpleasant organisation, now it's time for you to live for you. Decide what you want in life, go get it. Decide what people you want around you in life, go meet them. Decide where you want to live in life and go move their,

  Don't stand still and........here is the bucket of water to the face..... Stop hoping it was all a bad dream, sadly Watchtower does exist, sadly we were raised amongst many families and friends who showered love bombing on us for decades sometimes, only to drop us the moment we saw through the ever changing doctrines and rules. Those people will not accept you back unless you subscribe to the madness once more, but if you do, know that you too are indeed contributing to it.

  Lastly, I 100% believe and have seen the power of reason, logic and importantly information. It is changing the world before us, it is certainly changing Watchtower and its members. I sincerely think we wil see a serious demise in WT in our life times.

  Think of those loved ones and friends leaving the Watchtower at age 50-60-70...... Lives spent advertising 8 window cleaners (with pinky rings) in New York. Think of all the older JW's you saw die as JW's lives wasted.....

  You got out!

  Dont waste another heartbeat on them..... Go live ! X

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  OMG, I’m gonna get Old and Die.

  by John Aquila in

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  when it finally clicked,.

  and you realized there was no 1914, there was no generation that would see the end of a wicked system, there was no paradise around the corner, .

  what went through you mind?.

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  Please watch this great video about living ...and dying...

  https://richarddawkins.net/2014/07/what-should-we-think-about-death/
  
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  and Moses came down the mountain on his....DUCATI

  by snare&racket in

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  2. friends

  worst day in the last ten years, was the day i hit 0.00 with one and a half years of university to go.

  nobody to turn to, nobody to ask for help.

  i was 32 and as an ex jw had two family members in contact with me.

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  Just read this.....2yrs ago...

  "I have just finished the most difficult year of my academic life by far, since August I have had 4 days off. The exams were from hell, I ran out of money with 2 months to go, 2 months rent to pay and 2 huge exams to go. With few friends and family around, it made for a scary situation. But I did it.... Today I got the 'pass'.... 6 years done, one to go.... I am it I'm the final year of doctor training. For all the kind words and encouragement from people here, thank you xxxx"

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/258746/another-year-done-thank-you-jw-net
  
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  and Moses came down the mountain on his....DUCATI

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  worst day in the last ten years, was the day i hit 0.00 with one and a half years of university to go.

  nobody to turn to, nobody to ask for help.

  i was 32 and as an ex jw had two family members in contact with me.

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  snare&racket

  Ducati 821 V-Twin 8valve dohc 112bhp

  Top speed: 140mph. 0-60 in 3.6secs

  ABS brakes, fly by wire throttle.

  Red..... with a stripe ;)

  p.s. How are all you lovely people getting on? X