Posts by outsmartthesystem

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Cedars' "Makeweight" Scenario

by What Now? in

13 years ago

cedars' "makeweight" scenario posed as a question:.

can you show me one scripture that supports the idea that the holy spirit would deliberately feed god's servants untrue information or a flawed understanding of scripture as a "makeweight" until actual truth would be revealed at a later date?

is there a biblical principle that justifies jehovah dealing with his servants in such a way?.

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

I could easily see a devout JW saying...."Well......Jacob used deceit to trick his father into blessing him in lieu of Esau.....and obviously Jehovah approved........so yeah.....I could easily see the society using incorrect information to teach us. Who are we to question why Jehovah approved of Jacob's use of deceit? Likewise....who are we to question why Jehovah would allow a false teaching to be presented to his sheep as a "present truth".

And there you have it. That's all a JW needs to keep swallowing the blue pill

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Greetings! My first post

by BU2B in

13 years ago

hello all at jwn!

i have been a lurker here the last few months and have been going through the process of researching both sides of the story of jehovahs witnesses.

i was raised in the borg, got married and now have a young child.. my wife is very much dedicated to the organization and will justify anything the "slave" does putting it off on the borgs imperfection.

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

Welcome! You and I are in the exact same position (except I am not a MS.....and have successfully faded). But it pains me so much to see my wife bury her head deeper into the sand and refuse to logically think. It also pains me to see her try so hard to indoctrinate the kids.

Feel free to PM me if you need to talk

If there is anything I've learned it is that a person is not going to see the truth about this organization until they are ready. the ONLY thing you can do is ask her thought provoking questions that may induce her to do some research. Whatever you do.....try not to engage her in direct uncomfortable questions, conversation or accusations (accusations against the WT of course). She has been trained to throw up a shield and protect her faith in the organization at all costs. Alas.....as Blacksheet mentioned.....her apostate alarm has already been set off. I fear that any future question you may ask her will automatically be interpreted as an attack on her faith and she will go into mental shut down mode like my wife.

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Things that were supposedly demonized

by freshstart in

13 years ago

i was just thinking about all the fear i had when i was a kid that i would be attacked by demons if i wasn't careful.

i mean i lived in absolute terror over it, so i'm going to reminisce about the things i was told were demonized and you can add to the list if you'd like:.

lucky charms cerealcount dracula cerealitems bought at garage sales where there was a cross or anything religious present"hotel california" by the eagles (now one of my favorite songs)wwjd braceletsscooby dooi remember being so scared of every little noise that whenever i would turn off my light to go to bed, i would say "jehovah, jehovah!

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

RUSH and KISS

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Do you miss the sense of security the organisation gives you?

by Mr Facts in

13 years ago

i am sure most of you miss the sense of security regarding the future that the organisation offers- the certainty of everlasting life in the paradise earth, being healed and the confidence that you will definitely see your loved ones again if you remained faithful.

but why did you pursue a course of life that had suddenly turned everything into a fable?.

i have pity for you all.. .

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

"I am sure most of you miss the sense of security regarding the future that the organisation offers- the certainty of everlasting life in the paradise earth, being healed and the confidence that you will definitely see your loved ones again if you remained faithful

But why did you pursue a course of life that had suddenly turned everything into a fable?. I have pity for you all."

Allow me to translate. "Why do accurate and meaningful research that will expose the Watchtower Society as being a hypocritial/deceitful fraud? Just bury your head in the sand! If you do that.....you'll be able to fool yourself and maintain your belief in a lovely fairytale. Doesn't it make you feel better to be in denial and keep that fable alive in your mind than to accept that you don't know what the hell is going to happen to you when you die?"

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Unexpected call from my JW Sister - Unbelievable Hypocrisy!

by chichimama_2 in

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13 years ago

i posted a long experience earlier today along with an email letter from my sister.

sent to me back in january informing me she was going to be shunning me.. had not heard a word from her for 6 months then.

my sister called out of the blue one evening last month.

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

"They want to put on a good show for the non-JW relatives, you know, so they don't look like unreasonable fanatics that shun their own children!!"

Isn't it amazing that JWs are told to keep themselves separate from the world......and they claim they do so by not celebrating holidays and by dressing modestly and by following the "bible's counsel on shunning" etc etc. But then they are also told to be as normal as possible so they don't come across as fanatics. It is a circular conundrum that cannot be solved.

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Unexpected call from my JW Sister - Unbelievable Hypocrisy!

by chichimama_2 in

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13 years ago

i posted a long experience earlier today along with an email letter from my sister.

sent to me back in january informing me she was going to be shunning me.. had not heard a word from her for 6 months then.

my sister called out of the blue one evening last month.

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

I agree with Baltar and Ding. She has serious doubts as to the validity of shunning.....but her mind is so controlled that ultimately she is going to do what she is told. She knows your family will think she is nuts and she knows she cannot reasonably defend her actions. All JWs are hypocrites. They shun when it is convenient for them.

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Anyone else in Egypt

by JWdaughter in

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13 years ago

i am lonely.

i am surrounded by a lot of young kids, i get proposals from taxi drivers and the occasional security guy, but i really have not made any friends here in town yet.

any grownups in egypt?

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

Good god. What type of "proposals" are you getting from these taxi drivers and security guys?

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At my breaking point

by so confused in

13 years ago

so it does not seem like im dealing very well.

its been 6 month since we have stopped going to the meeting.

embarssing in front of co-worker and my new supervisor.

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

"My mom stated im feeling this way because i'm reading apostate sites and thats what i get. "

She's a little bit correct.....but she has no idea WHY she is right. She is right because ike Neo....you've elected to take the red pill as opposed to the blue pill. You now see the "truth" for what it is.....and it is highly disturbing. Had you taken the blue pill and just buried your head back in the sand.....she is right....you wouldn't be feeling this way. But to me.....living in willful ignorance just isnt an option.....regardless of the peace that is lost by investigating the real truth.

"She asked my to watch a JW video and I told her I would think about it. But she was being pushy about it and wanting to discuss it after."

You could always watch it.....tear apart the inconsistencies , fallacies and falsehoods and then ask her why God's organization would have to resort to such tactics just to produce a video

"I know im pulling away from everyone. I think im doing that because when and if i'm df it wont hurt as much. But I dont have any friends. or family that i can talk to and its take a toll on me. I have not talked to my non-JW family because I dont want to make more conflict for my mom and JW sister and brother."

I know how you feel about pulling away. I did the same. Part of me did it for the reason you mentioned and the other part of me did it because I literally could not stand to hear any more JW organization bullshit talk. Personally though....I think your reason for not talking to your non-JW family is a bad one. You can't be a hermit for fear of upsetting the JWs whether they are your family or not. If you need to talk to someone.....DO IT! If your JW family gets upset because you needed someone to talk to.....then that alone tells you how unreasonable they are.....and all the more reason to get the hell out of that organization. Remember, they are making just as much conflict for you as you are for them. They don't cease talking to one another about YOU for fear of making more conflict do they?

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What the hell was I thinking?! Stupid me!!

by freshstart in

13 years ago

so my husband and i have a son who will be 2 years old next month and i really wanted him to be socialized more.

ever since we stopped going to meetings, we have been pretty much shunned even though there has never been an "official" reason for it (df, da..).

i am terribly introverted, so it's difficult for me to get out there and talk to people but our son is a people-person and i wanted him to have more peers to be around.

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

But I agree with the others. You are trying to be a good parent. There are a TON of other ways to let your child socialize. If that's the worst mistake you ever make.....well.....consider yourself lucky!

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What the hell was I thinking?! Stupid me!!

by freshstart in

13 years ago

so my husband and i have a son who will be 2 years old next month and i really wanted him to be socialized more.

ever since we stopped going to meetings, we have been pretty much shunned even though there has never been an "official" reason for it (df, da..).

i am terribly introverted, so it's difficult for me to get out there and talk to people but our son is a people-person and i wanted him to have more peers to be around.

13 years ago

outsmartthesystem 13 years ago

"Stupid me for thinking that I could give him a social outlet there. "

Not to be mean....but.....I'd have to agree. JWs are among the most socially inept groups in the entire world. Taking a child to their KH for a chance to learn social skills is like taking them to an elders meeting to learn critical thinking skills

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