Holy shit Cobalt. R U Serious about the one regarding President Clinton's helicopter? I've never heard such lunacy!
outsmartthesystem
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Brother placed 'Teach" Book to President Obama? WTF?
by Smoky ini just read a post on monday aprox 9pm on the "escuela del ministerio teocratico/theocratic ministry school" on facebook (posted in spanish).. it is talking about an experience given in a ohio, circuit assembly.. it reads that a brother that was a worker at the factory obama was visiting, was able to preach briefly to president obama and place the book 'what does the bible teach' during a quick meet and greet.. i think its bullshit.. anyone ever heard of this experience at a assembly?.
i dont have a cpu, and my phone is not working, for me to copy, translate and post on here for you all to see.
maybe one of you can?.
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My Left Leg Was Amputated
by TOTH ini have been out of commission for several weeks.
back around the first of the year i developed an infection in my left foot.
due to diabetes and poor circulation the doctors were unable to save my foot and so i received a below the knee amputation.
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outsmartthesystem
wishing you well....
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New Girl
by Gypsy Sam inhope everyone is having a lovely day.
i ended up here after spending the past few months researching jw, without the blinders on.
i was a born-in, baptized as a teen, pioneered out of high school for a couple years (turning down a 4 year scholarship).
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"Doc, I'm not sure of all the reasons why they left just yet, as I was busy shunning them. "
I know how you feel sister. I have a brother that doesn't talk to me because I spent my whole life showing him how holy I was by shunning him. :(
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Brother placed 'Teach" Book to President Obama? WTF?
by Smoky ini just read a post on monday aprox 9pm on the "escuela del ministerio teocratico/theocratic ministry school" on facebook (posted in spanish).. it is talking about an experience given in a ohio, circuit assembly.. it reads that a brother that was a worker at the factory obama was visiting, was able to preach briefly to president obama and place the book 'what does the bible teach' during a quick meet and greet.. i think its bullshit.. anyone ever heard of this experience at a assembly?.
i dont have a cpu, and my phone is not working, for me to copy, translate and post on here for you all to see.
maybe one of you can?.
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outsmartthesystem
I doubt it is true. But even if it was.....I guarantee he is not "rightly disposed". He would have accepted it for PR purposes (In case you haven't noticed...politicians tend to NOT make a practice out of rejecting the people) and then trashed it.
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Our New Pope!
by Roberta804 ini watched with excitment as we first saw pope francis.
my mother raised us girls jw, she was catholic before the jw came along, and my father remained catholic.
no other pope has ever taken the name francis before.
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YAY!!!!!!!!!! A new human to worship!
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Disgusting characters in the Bible. Know any?
by punkofnice inin a recent thread zed is dead commented on lot being a scumbag.. it seems the wbt$ uses these filthy perverts as 'good examples(tm)'.. even when i was in i thought david was a piece of crap.. i vote king david as a lowlife scumbag.
murderous, adulterous, and treacherous.
(obviously he was copying that imaginary sky twat = god!!)..
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Lot - Here you go.......angry and lustful mob. Please rape my daughters
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Is a slow fade being selfish when you have kids?
by dissonance_resolved inso i got some great advice to take things very slowly with the husband and kids in order to be able to fade and still maintain contact with my parents and siblings.
but today i got a call from my son's teacher that he was having a meltdown because he was worried about all his friends and teachers being destroyed at armageddon.... first i felt like such a schmuck for ever having allowed that thought to enter my son's head, then i thought, is it psychological torture for me not to immediately correct the situation?
i had a long talk with him about how god is perfectly just and full of love and he didn't have to worry about that at all, but it still seemed lukewarm.
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outsmartthesystem
You have a tough choice to make
1) fade slowly and risk your son becoming hopelessly indoctrinated with fear and intimidation
2) fade abuptly and risk damaging your relationship with your husband beyond repair
You are in a similar position to me a couple years ago. I tried to talk with my wife about different things but all I succeeded in doing was showing my cards. She was all in and would entertain no such idea of daring to question anything that is taught. It all came to a head when my 5 year old told me that I hate Jehovah and love Satan. I had had it. For the sake of giving my children a normal childhood free from the mental shackles of a dangerous and controlling cult......I decided to hasten my fade and up the anty. I began talking to my children and telling them that the bible does NOT say that birthdays are bad. I began to reason with them based on logic....whereas before I basically kept my mouth shut and allowed my wife to indoctrinate. My stance infuriated my wife and I knew it was only a matter of time before the shit hit the fan. That happened quickly. My wife left. Custody is still not settled but at the very least.......I can and have reached my children in a number of different areas. They both want to celebrate their birthdays. Neither of them thinks the idea of God killing billions of people for not being in a particular religion is beyond unreasonable and cruel.
For me.....my wife basically gave me an ultimatum. Shut my mouth, watch my children grow up as JWs and maintain my marriage........or try to give my children freedom and watch my marriage crumble. It was tough for a while......but I made the right choice. Kids need a normal childhood. That's not to say that they can't figure things out for themselves when they are older. You did. I did. A lot of people did. But dammit.....how much better would it have been to have had a NORMAL childhood?
I don't know what your future holds, but you may be in for a tough decision in the near future.
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Who of you ever lied on your field service reports?
by Julia Orwell ini've read a few people mention making up the figures for the field service reports, and i want to find out how common it is.
i never lied on my report.
sometimes i'd round up 15 minutes if i'd mentioned jw stuff to my brother that month, but that wasn't falsifying.
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I never really lied so much as I "borrowed" from the next month. And then the next month I'd go out in service an extra day and then not report it so that I'd feel justified that I had "borrowed" from the previous month. Then as I started to fade and realized that this was all a bunch of BS.....I just didn't care anymore. I kept turning in time to the point where I would have to pioneer one month and not report it just for it all to even out. Then I realized that since I was still turning in time.....the elders kept wanting to give me "privileges" like lawn mowing and weed pulling. So I stopped turning in time. I still remember the presiding overseer's last ditch effort to get me to go back in service. "OSTS - You will never be allowed to help clean the kingdom hall or mow the lawn again". My still beating heart was ripped from my chest when he told me that.
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Hello
by newdawnfades ini am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.
i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.
i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.
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outsmartthesystem
Hello and welcome!
You are exactly right. Anything even remotely close to being rash may very well cause an irrepairable division between you and your wife. You've been in the borg your whole life. A couple more years won't hurt you while you slowly whittle away. Take it slow. Be calculated. Be discreet
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How do I tell my husband?
by dissonance_resolved ini'm a born in, baptized as a young teenager, whole family is jw.
i just recently woke up after the new understanding of the fds was announced and it seemed to me to smack of power-grabbing.
i started looking at all the websites we're not supposed to, and now i know why.
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outsmartthesystem
read the book "captives of a concept" by don cameron. Your husband does not have to be "gung ho" in order to still be under the control of the organization. He is likely still "captive" to the concept that this is somehow someway still God's organization.
Go VERY slowly. But I will warn you......if he is not ready to see the truth.....he will not allow himself to regardless of how sound your reasoning is or how many facts you present. The only thing you can do is ask sincere questions that he will have to seriously contemplate and research prior to answering you. But even that may not work. I don't mean to rain on your parade but I know from experience. I am going through a divorce because I tried to share what I knew with my wife. Your husband may react the same way my wife did when I asked thought provoking questions to her. "I don't owe you ANY explanation! I will not discuss this with you!"
Simply put.....if he is not ready to see TTATT......at the very least.....he will clam up and refuse to talk about it. At the very worst....he may accuse you of apostasy, leave, and turn you into the elders (what happened to me)