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  WT Indoctrination machine running fulltime!!

  by avengers in

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  i saw this on pln.

  anyone here know anything about this new book?.

  benefit from theocratic ministry school education .

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  a lot of folks got it here in the states.

  It's typical of the releases in recent years - written
  for quasi- literate Witnesses who think it will help
  them in their mostly imaginary ministry.

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  How many hours are falsely reported?

  by badboy in

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  in the january 1 issue of each year, they harp on about how many hours the jws did last year etc etc.. how many hours are possibly falsely reported?.

  discuss,please

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  In the western world, possibly most hours are phoney.

  Typical Saturday: Spend two hours going door to door,
  actually talk to 5 people - amount of time ACTUALLY spent
  speaking to disinterested people - less than 4 minutes.

  Amount of time counted 2 hours.

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  Bethel's gay Neighbors

  by metatron in

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  i don't think i've ever seen the subject come up here.

  or on the old h2o site but many of you foreign types.

  may not be aware that brookyln bethel has been.

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  Back then, I knew guys who would get accosted on the street
  with great regularity. The standard line was "do you have the
  time?". Thus, I refered to aggressiveness, in that neighborhood.

  As for attire, I refered to actual experiences that shocked
  boys from midwestern areas, at that time.

  No stereotypes necessary - these things happened.

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  Bethel's gay Neighbors

  by metatron in

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  i don't think i've ever seen the subject come up here.

  or on the old h2o site but many of you foreign types.

  may not be aware that brookyln bethel has been.

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  I don't think I've ever seen the subject come up here
  or on the old h2o site but many of you foreign types
  may not be aware that Brookyln Bethel has been
  situated in an agressively gay neighborhood ("Do you have the time?")
  for many decades.

  Most dismissals at the big house for liking men have
  been clearly internal to Bethel. However, we'll never
  know how many Bethel boys succumbed to their repressed
  leanings by going outside, in the Heights.

  I do remember a very good Gilead/Primary instructor
  (Brother W.) who got booted for getting some locally.

  Anyhow, back years ago, when gays were totally repressed,
  it was always amusing to see the shock of white bread
  Iowa newboy types going from door to door and encountering
  guys in blonde wigs, and other interesting attire as householders.

  I think some took sisters along for protection!

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  Ogdensburg, NY - Info on scandal in 1980s?

  by Seeker4 in

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  i wrote earlier about a time in the 1980s when i served on an appeal committee dealing with several disfellowshippings in the ogdensburg, ny congregation.

  (see hard question for elders post by xena for details on that experience.).

  i was wondering if anyone here remembers that time, or has any news on the people involved.

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  I vaguely remember this one - I heard they fired a bunch of elders
  and that some of them 'weren't doing anything'(insufficently
  zealous).

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  Is Psychokinesis Real?

  by metatron in

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  ok, over my many years of being a witness, on rare.

  occasions, strange, almost miraculous things would.

  happen in my life - since these things were mostly.

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  I believe that some simple, mundane phenomena exist without
  a lot of rigorous explanation. THat might be the case here,
  wherein people just say "yea, that's just electrostatics/Brownian
  motion/a trick". I'm going to keep on investigating. Supposedly,
  some guy kept practising until he could spin an 85 gm pinwheel
  - and another could make a whole ash tray move.

  I really like Kreskin's "hide my paycheck" routine. I understand
  that he once lost 50K when he failed. On other occasions, his
  ability was truly remarkable (hidden across town in an elevator?)
  Has anyone ever debunked this?

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  Is Psychokinesis Real?

  by metatron in

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  ok, over my many years of being a witness, on rare.

  occasions, strange, almost miraculous things would.

  happen in my life - since these things were mostly.

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  I tried using a light source to cause movement - like a
  black pinwheel in an evacuated globe - no go! Not a bit!

  Yes, this resembles electrostatics - but not exactly.
  Ordinarily, it is possible to discharge oneself after
  gathering a charge simply by touching any metal object
  (it doesn't have to be precisely grounded) - I can make it
  move while grasping large metal objects with the same hand
  or other hand.

  Furthermore, last night I got it to move from three feet away
  with no hand motion.

  I would add some anecdotal comments from technicians who
  remark that sometimes their state of mind seems to influence
  computer circuits. People I work with have made remarks like this
  about me ("it only works when you're here!")

  again try this stuff with an open mind - I've noted , in reading
  accounts of 'debunked' psychics, that often the explanations
  aren't credible - and are little more than wild speculation.
  The guy who wrote Mind Over Matter is trained in professional
  magic and deception - but thinks some ESP is real.

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  Is Psychokinesis Real?

  by metatron in

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  ok, over my many years of being a witness, on rare.

  occasions, strange, almost miraculous things would.

  happen in my life - since these things were mostly.

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  OK, over my many years of being a Witness, on rare
  occasions, strange, almost miraculous things would
  happen in my life - since these things were mostly
  positive (I don't know if I call foreknowledge of
  a relative's death positive!), I just patted myself
  on the back, thinking I was a "good boy" in God's
  sight!

  Well, stuff still would happen, now and then, when
  I wasn't so faithful! In reading the Bible, I found
  that miraculous gifts of the spirit did NOT necessarily
  coincide with being totally obedient - like Paul's
  instructions on disorderly meetings 'cause people
  wouldn't stop speaking in tongues. I also read Sheldrake's
  book on Dogs That Know When Their Owners Are Returning
  Home, which led me to think that ESP, if real, was
  simply a property of nature, not Divine approval.

  So, I investigated things on my own - and found that
  a few people could produce remarkable effects reliably.
  In Mind Over Matter, the author recounts his personal
  meetings with writer Martin Caidin. He practised
  putting aluminum foil pinwheels on needle points under
  glass enclosures - and then turning them with ihs mind!
  Also, see the book Mind Machines You Can Build by
  G. Harry Stine.

  I carefully built one of these 'pinwheels under glass'.
  I used a clear display cylinder that can be sealed
  airtight. I practised meditating in the way the book
  describes and.....

  it moves!

  I can make it oscillate back and forth from about three
  feet away. It responds strongly to my hands and fingers.
  (not from weight shifting, I'm careful)

  I'm still experimenting with this (it works most of
  the time) I don't want my wife to see this because
  it might spook her (pointing at an object intently
  and making it turn).

  Anyway, get the books and experiment with it yourself.
  Try it with an open mind and playful outlook.

  Me? I'm practising. Maybe someday I can toss a cinder block
  across a room just by thinking about it..

  And if I ever do,
  I'm gonna visit Bethel..

  there's a scene from Carrie, I'd really like to try.....

  have fun

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  Have any given thought to...

  by HenryP in

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  romans 8:18-25?

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  Have you given any thought to developments in science
  and technology?

  Have you realized that "business as usual" for religions
  (esp. the Watchtower) is going to end in the next generation?
  Cloning, stem cells, and new anti-aging therapies will change
  everything radically - and then there's also robots and artificial
  intelligence.

  Good Luck peddling that message about human failure and pessimism

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  370 Bucks

  by metatron in

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  i visited an old congregation i used to go to awhile back.. they posted their accounts report on the bulletin board.. about 370 bucks went to the worldwide work, total.. i can remember 800 to over a thousand bucks for books and magazines.

  being sent to the society per month - about 20 yrs.

  ago.. subtract inflation and it's even worse.. meanwhile, the young boys are out in the parking lot,.

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  I visited an old congregation I used to go to awhile back.

  They posted their accounts report on the bulletin board.
  About 370 bucks went to the WorldWide Work, total.

  I can remember 800 to over a thousand bucks for books and magazines
  being sent to the Society per month - about 20 yrs. ago.
  Subtract inflation and it's even worse.

  Meanwhile, the young boys are out in the parking lot,
  enthusiastically discussing video games. I guess it
  gives 'em something to think about during the boring meetings.

  Want to hear an elder's headache? You have to fight a phone
  bill that includes a huge charge for phone sex numbers
  - dialed on the Kingdom Hall phone.

  So, the young men are drifting away and Jehovah ain't providin'
  the revenue he used to - while the old men in Brooklyn take naps.

  What a dynamic organization!

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