Posts by metatron

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Question from a newly DF'd chick...

by praying_mantis in

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hello again...now that i am officially a horrible, unrepentant sinner (in the eyes of a polyester slack wearing, mini van driving, anal retentive man whore), i have a question (actually several, but i will start with one!

) brace yourselves: it is about 1975!.

where in the wt was the "prophecy" made?

metatron

Welcome!

It ain't 1975 but it's an excellent example of the Society's
lies (it's my absolute favorite!)- here goes:

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact
that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
Why not? Because all the evidence in fufillment of Bible
prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in
a few years. ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never
fufill any career that this system offers"
May 22, 1969 Awake

Many of us getting out of high school believed this crap
and lost out on a good education.

metatron

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WTBTS literature for free or else

by Skimmer in

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i came across this little tidbit on the united states postal rate commission web site: http://www.prc.gov/documents.asp?docid=26246.

they reference a legal brief ( http://www.prc.gov/docs/26/26246/watchtower-brief.pdf) filed by the wtbts where the brooklyn boys want their postal rates to stay as cheap as possible.

the brief is full of technical details, but there is one sentence of note early on in the document.

metatron

Fred, I think that's because the apostate literature
is actually worth what you have to pay for it. On the other
hand Watchtower literature is free because it's worthless.

Does that help?

metatron

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Are JW's starting there own college?

by VeniceIT in

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i just recieved this today and thought i'd post it!.

a friend heard (already hearsay, right?

) that the wt society is thinking about or is already in the process of setting up a college.

metatron

I believe Gilead was considered a college, of sorts.
It had some kind of accredation when Dunlap was in charge.

The original papers filed with the building of Paterson
declared it to be an educational institution or college.

I think it's a great idea because it will finally show
how fatuous and indefensible their doctrine is. Can you
actually imagine the equivalent of a dept. of theology
at such a college? Could they "throw out" instructors
who "turn apostate" every couple of months? It would
be hilarious!

metatron

24

since i sent my DA letter

by jurs in

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things have certainly been eventful since i sent my da letter.

it hasn't been announced at the meeting yet, but plenty seem to know!!!!!

monday a pioneer sister called me.

metatron

You go James!!!!
My feelings exactly! Why not continue to drag their wretched
enterprise down when you can? Free some more slaves!

metatron

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Is It Really Faithfulness - or OCD?

by metatron in

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the organization takes great pride in its statistics, the hours spent.

in the "ministry", meeting attendance and so on.

things as positive evidence of faithfulness, zeal, and loyalty.. i'm not so sure....... mental illness and depression among jw's is old news.

metatron

The organization takes great pride in its statistics, the hours spent
in the "ministry", meeting attendance and so on. They look at these
things as positive evidence of faithfulness, zeal, and loyalty.

I'm not so sure......

Mental illness and depression among JW's is old news. They are widespread problems given scant attention by a boastful leadership
that prefers arrogant claims about being the "happiest people
on earth".
Beyond the foregoing, I ask: Do JW's tend to suffer from obsessive
compulsive disorders?
It's common to feel that you "have to get your time in".
or you "have to attend all the meetings". You must attend long,
painfully boring conventions that drone on and on......
I know Witnesses with anorexia, multiple personalities and
and physical self-mutilation (cutting oneself)disorders - which
certainly sound obsessive to me. I read in the Watchtower about
people who are held up as examples - who preached that Armageddon
was "SOON!" - ALL THEIR LIVES! - does spending your life
preaching falsehood like that sound obsessive? If you look at
folks in your own congregation, I'm sure you'll notice compulsive
hand-washers, the elder who won't touch the bathroom knob without
a napkin/hankerchief, hypochondriacs, self-diagnosed sufferers
with illnesses doctors can't objectively confirm, people who
underline/highlight nearly every sentence in a WT study article
(I giggle a little when I see that!) and bizarre allergies.

Little Johnny can't understand much at the meeting so give him
a notebook so he can count how many times the speaker says "Jehovah"
in his talk. (another favorite of mine - what is this supposed to
teach the kid?)
Sit behind the bored teenage "Barbie Doll" sisters at the assembly-
watch them write their name in filigree/calligraphy - over and
over.....

I could go on and on... (and what would that say ABOUT MY MENTAL
HEALTH AFTER BEING A JW FOR 35 YEARS - mea culpa!)

metatron (if I forgot my mantra, does that mean I'm cured, doctor?)

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ARE AVERAGE JWs DECEPTIVE?

by Amazing in

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i ask this because on this and other forums that have a large share of former jws, our stated experiences and encounters during and after our jw membership seem to reflect that the wts and its body of believers are most corrupt.

likewise, those never associated who read our posts may get the impression that even visiting a kingdom hall may result in serious negative events.. i believe that it is important to remind everyone that the average jw is a generally good person.

most try to live good lives, act on their beliefs, and promote what they feel is the truth.

metatron

A really solid post, Amazing.

I like to think of the wretched WTS leaders as hijackers.
They grab people's sense of religious devotion and loyalty
to Christianity and divert it for their own selfish ends.
Not riches perhaps, but self-exaltation is their motive.
- wicked work they're very good at. With their endless
prattle about a "spiritual paradise" and their self-praising
identity as "faithful and discreet", they hijack devotion
and focus it on their illegitimate authority.

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46

Leo Greenlees,

by Kiwi in

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friends

i seem to remember something on the board about leo greenlees being removed from bethel & the gb.

can anyone give me information about this.

is he still allive and where?

metatron

Aren't there at least two former secretaries to the GB
who are still alive - and left the organization?

This is getting interesting.

metatron

Two Items

by metatron in

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friends

first, check out the latest atlantic monthly (may 2001).

cover article "russia is finished" - title says it all.. no king of the north, no armageddon.

two italian scientists have announced they have isolated.

metatron

First, check out the latest Atlantic Monthly (May 2001)
cover article "Russia is Finished" - title says it all.
No King of the North, no Armageddon

Two Italian scientists have announced they have isolated
and revived ET bacteria from inside a meteorite
(on MSN/Discovery news)

metatron

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Dirt Naps, Hezekiah, Non-Flattery and Reform

by metatron in

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once upon a time, there lived a reasonably successful king named.

hezekiah, who learned that his kingdom was going to be pillaged.

and raped in the distant future.

metatron

I understand their motives are not completely pure, however
they could have specifically refused to apologize, as the
Society has. This move, in corporate society, is a healthy
one.
This is like a guerrilla war where their centralized
authority will be worn down. Time is not on their side.

metatron

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Dirt Naps, Hezekiah, Non-Flattery and Reform

by metatron in

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friends

once upon a time, there lived a reasonably successful king named.

hezekiah, who learned that his kingdom was going to be pillaged.

and raped in the distant future.

metatron

Once upon a time, there lived a reasonably successful king named
Hezekiah, who learned that his kingdom was going to be pillaged
and raped in the distant future. His reaction was "Is it not so,
if peace and truth themselves will continue in my days?"
(2 Kings 20:19).

In other words, it ain't gonna happen in my lifetime, so what!

Today, you have the WTS ruled by creaky geezers who eagerly await
being wisked away to heavenly glory - leaving behind molested
children, burnt out publishers, malaise, and general rot. I get
a mental picture of wrinkled old men in football jerseys grabbing
the ball and trying to "run the clock out". It also reminds me
of former Secretary of the Interior, James Watt, who addressed the
matter of damage to the environment by suggesting that the Lord's
Second Coming might be soon (what the heck).

There have been situations like this that were handled better.
Even the dictator Francisco Franco paved the way for a freer,
improved nation - before his death. Apparently, the GB hasn't
ascended to this level of "worldly" moral development. I shouldn't
be too surprized - this is the same crew that specifically refuses
to apologize for anti-semitic remarks (Rutherford), false prophecy
(take your pick), or countless other mistakes that injured innocent
people. Many "worldly" corporations set a more ethical example
(like Firestone or Japanese airlines).

I wonder if these gerontocrats ever find the discreet hopes of
older publishers to be unflattering. After all, it is no great
secret that countless publishers, including elders, look forward
to change in the organization soon, based on the assumption that
various GB members can't live that much longer.

Does reform depend on selected funerals at headquarters? I hope
not - but it's more likely that things will get worse before they
get any better. They still dismiss complaints about molestation
and crooked elders with breezy rubber stamped letters. If anything,
the most recent WT (June 1) increases its arrogance ("So how could
his worshipers be unhappy...?" pg.14 - being happy is a sign of
true worship now, by the way)

Elders are reminded to turn in their whips in exchange for the
newer improved scourges (2 Chron. 10:14).

And so it goes.

metatron