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  JW Pedophile sentenced in my courtroom today....

  by diana netherton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  65 year old self-professed jw man sentenced to 20-40 years state for abusing a young neighbor boy.

  over a course of three years.

  he actually read scriptures to the boy after each abuse session, which.

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  @ Diana N,

  Do you know if there has been news coverage of this? Perhaps a newspaper article?
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  How was the singing in your congro?

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  mine as best abysmal.. we had brother ..i can't sing in tune but will sing louder than anyone else.. sister trained opera voice that sang a note or 3 above everyone else.. the rest were just down rite dreadfull..

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  Wobble said,

  The problem they have got of course is that they will not use professional musicians and composers.

  Very true. Another problem Witnesses have is that they reject good music that already exists. I always felt that Amazing Grace was a beautiful song with a great message that doesn't violate JWs' beliefs, but the elitist GB says no to it. It's a shame.
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  How was the singing in your congro?

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  mine as best abysmal.. we had brother ..i can't sing in tune but will sing louder than anyone else.. sister trained opera voice that sang a note or 3 above everyone else.. the rest were just down rite dreadfull..

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  Very weak, at best. When the music stopped it was reduced to a little humming.

  By contrast, I was raised in the Church of Christ where they don't believe in musical accompaniment to their church songs, and hold special meetings throughout the year to practice singing. They take it very seriously, at least the people I knew did, and are excellent singers based on what I remember from the 1960s. I always felt they put JWs to shame.

  Unfortunately it didn't rub off. I am a terrible singer!
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  How many Facilities & Farms does the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society now own? $

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  can anyone tell me how many farms and facilities the watchtower bible and tract society now owns in the usa?

  how many assembly halls?.

  kingdom halls?.

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  would it be unreasonable to assume about 1 KH per around every 150 witnesses?

  I think that's a good estimate of congregations, ie one congregation per 150 people, but there are often multiple congregations in a KH. In the town where I live there is 1 KH, and 4 congregations using it.

  Now we need a good estimate of congs per hall to arrive at an estimate of how many KHs there are.

  But there must be someone out there that knows the actual number of Halls.
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  The WT's starting date of the Seventy Years

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wt starts its seventy years with the moment that jews entered egypt following the murder of governor gedaliah.

  the wt guesses that the destruction and the murder of gedaliah took place in the same year.

  however, the events listed in the bible as taking place from the time of the city's destruction until the entry in egypt require far more than two months.

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  Sounds very interesting, but I'm going to wait for the English version.
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  Yet another Watchtower Lie

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower website is currently highlighting the article "are jehovah's witnesses a protestant religion?

  " from the the watchtower november 1, 2009. it makes the following comment:.

  "third, unlike the protestant movement, which has splintered into hundreds of denominations, jehovahs witnesses have maintained a united global brotherhood.".

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  Cedars said,

  I've never understood the Society's fascination with distancing itself from any attempts at categorization, whether it is fending off words such as "fundamentalist", "protestant"...

  Isn't it because the Society wants to be the only true religion, and every other group is false religion belonging to Satan? If people want to have the truth and get everlasting life, they have to join up with the WTS.
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  Yet another Watchtower Lie

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower website is currently highlighting the article "are jehovah's witnesses a protestant religion?

  " from the the watchtower november 1, 2009. it makes the following comment:.

  "third, unlike the protestant movement, which has splintered into hundreds of denominations, jehovahs witnesses have maintained a united global brotherhood.".

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  Has anyone compiled a comprehensive list of groups that have split off from Russell's original Bible Students, and other groups that have split from them?

  I wonder just how large the large family tree really is.
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  Yet another Watchtower Lie

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower website is currently highlighting the article "are jehovah's witnesses a protestant religion?

  " from the the watchtower november 1, 2009. it makes the following comment:.

  "third, unlike the protestant movement, which has splintered into hundreds of denominations, jehovahs witnesses have maintained a united global brotherhood.".

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  LostGeneration said,

  [Jehovah's Witnesses] in fact are the splinter group, both off of the Protestants and the Second adventist movement.

  JWs are a splinter group in another sense too. They broke away from the original Bible Students when that shrewd Judge Rutherford found a way to get around the last will and testament of C.T. Russell. That was a big split.
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  Looking for Watchtower images of Sisters

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  can anyone recall or have scans of some watchtower images of sisters?

  i am particularly interested in those that show the headship arrangement, such as a sister displaying submission to a husband or elder.

  even better, have there been any images of sisters wearing head coverings.

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  Article Her Head Covering and Congregational Activities, 4-1-1964 Watchtower, p205-211, par12 (The information might be a bit dated. The artwork certainly is.)

  [Head covering needed]

  "12 To illustrate: A sister who conducts the congregation Watchtower study or, as has already been mentioned, a congregation book study, should wear a head covering while doing so, as should a sister who offers prayer at such meetings, and they would do so even though being seated at the time.

  "In most cases where a sister presides at a meeting with her head covered the number in attendance is quite small, and it would normally not be necessary for her to stand while conducting. Even at the Watchtower study the attendance may not be more than what is usually to be found at a congregation book study, so those attending can be grouped around in a similar way to that of such a study, and the conductor, while facing the audience, can remain seated in almost all instances.

  [Not needed]

  "The sister reading the paragraphs can do so from her seat, and, as the one reading, she does not need to have her head covered. The Watchtower is doing the teaching. Even if, due to a larger attendance and with no qualified brother available, the sister had to stand to read in order for all to hear, she would not necessarily have to wear a head coveringsince she is not teaching or presiding at the meeting. She is not giving a talk, only reading a summary from The Watchtower.

  [It depends]

  "However, here again the sister may prefer to wear a head covering as being suitable for the occasion, and so this would be according to her conscience in the matter. If a sister is wearing a head covering as her normal practice she certainly does not have to remove it at any time while carrying on true worship."

  Details, details.

  

  
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  LeavingWT's DA letter

  by irondork in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the blood issue has been an ongoing arguement between the roomie and me.

  not heated, by any means, but she keeps qouting back established wts reasoning on the subject.

  "it's feeding, jason.

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  And thank you LeavingWT.

  It is one of the best written, most non-judgmental, clearly stated presentations I have read on the blood issue. This is the way I like to talk to Witnesses (or any one else) regarding Watchtower issues.

  When we let the anger show it turns people off because they feel we have an axe to grind, but when it is said the way you have said it, it opens minds. It is seen as educational.

  It's his similar approach to exposing WTS issues that attracts me to Ray Franz.