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  Was The Internet The Clincher For You To Mentally Leave The Organization?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think it was for me.. i knew a lot of the history of the bible students, russell, rutherford and the "old light".

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  once i could see all of the overwhelming evidence right in front of my eyes, there was no ignoring the reality..

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  Morbidzbaby said,

  I KNEW there was something rotten in Denmark, I just couldn't find the source of the smell until I started searching online.

  Bingo!
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  Was The Internet The Clincher For You To Mentally Leave The Organization?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think it was for me.. i knew a lot of the history of the bible students, russell, rutherford and the "old light".

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  once i could see all of the overwhelming evidence right in front of my eyes, there was no ignoring the reality..

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  Leaving mentally? No. Leaving physically? Absolutely!

  Long before I had the internet or knew of Ray Franz, the Society's 1914 Generation had failed. I had wondered for years, 'If this generation goes past 80 years, what will happen. Something will have to give, what will it be?'

  The definition changed to a lame explanation of the generation being one of 'contemporary worldly people', or some such silly thing. It made no sense to me at all. I was mentally gone after that.

  Started looking on the internet more than 10 years later, learned of Franz' books, and it's been an amazing education ever since.

  I feel genuinely sorry for people of previous generations that had no such source of information, and perhaps even died thinking theWatchtower had the truth and they weren't good enough for it.

  So many lives ruined.
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  JW Pedophile sentenced in my courtroom today....

  by diana netherton in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  65 year old self-professed jw man sentenced to 20-40 years state for abusing a young neighbor boy.

  over a course of three years.

  he actually read scriptures to the boy after each abuse session, which.

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  @ Diana N,

  Do you know if there has been news coverage of this? Perhaps a newspaper article?
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  How was the singing in your congro?

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  mine as best abysmal.. we had brother ..i can't sing in tune but will sing louder than anyone else.. sister trained opera voice that sang a note or 3 above everyone else.. the rest were just down rite dreadfull..

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  Wobble said,

  The problem they have got of course is that they will not use professional musicians and composers.

  Very true. Another problem Witnesses have is that they reject good music that already exists. I always felt that Amazing Grace was a beautiful song with a great message that doesn't violate JWs' beliefs, but the elitist GB says no to it. It's a shame.
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  How was the singing in your congro?

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  mine as best abysmal.. we had brother ..i can't sing in tune but will sing louder than anyone else.. sister trained opera voice that sang a note or 3 above everyone else.. the rest were just down rite dreadfull..

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  Very weak, at best. When the music stopped it was reduced to a little humming.

  By contrast, I was raised in the Church of Christ where they don't believe in musical accompaniment to their church songs, and hold special meetings throughout the year to practice singing. They take it very seriously, at least the people I knew did, and are excellent singers based on what I remember from the 1960s. I always felt they put JWs to shame.

  Unfortunately it didn't rub off. I am a terrible singer!
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  How many Facilities & Farms does the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society now own? $

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  can anyone tell me how many farms and facilities the watchtower bible and tract society now owns in the usa?

  how many assembly halls?.

  kingdom halls?.

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  would it be unreasonable to assume about 1 KH per around every 150 witnesses?

  I think that's a good estimate of congregations, ie one congregation per 150 people, but there are often multiple congregations in a KH. In the town where I live there is 1 KH, and 4 congregations using it.

  Now we need a good estimate of congs per hall to arrive at an estimate of how many KHs there are.

  But there must be someone out there that knows the actual number of Halls.
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  The WT's starting date of the Seventy Years

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the wt starts its seventy years with the moment that jews entered egypt following the murder of governor gedaliah.

  the wt guesses that the destruction and the murder of gedaliah took place in the same year.

  however, the events listed in the bible as taking place from the time of the city's destruction until the entry in egypt require far more than two months.

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  Sounds very interesting, but I'm going to wait for the English version.
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  Yet another Watchtower Lie

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower website is currently highlighting the article "are jehovah's witnesses a protestant religion?

  " from the the watchtower november 1, 2009. it makes the following comment:.

  "third, unlike the protestant movement, which has splintered into hundreds of denominations, jehovahs witnesses have maintained a united global brotherhood.".

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  Cedars said,

  I've never understood the Society's fascination with distancing itself from any attempts at categorization, whether it is fending off words such as "fundamentalist", "protestant"...

  Isn't it because the Society wants to be the only true religion, and every other group is false religion belonging to Satan? If people want to have the truth and get everlasting life, they have to join up with the WTS.
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  Yet another Watchtower Lie

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower website is currently highlighting the article "are jehovah's witnesses a protestant religion?

  " from the the watchtower november 1, 2009. it makes the following comment:.

  "third, unlike the protestant movement, which has splintered into hundreds of denominations, jehovahs witnesses have maintained a united global brotherhood.".

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  Has anyone compiled a comprehensive list of groups that have split off from Russell's original Bible Students, and other groups that have split from them?

  I wonder just how large the large family tree really is.
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  Yet another Watchtower Lie

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower website is currently highlighting the article "are jehovah's witnesses a protestant religion?

  " from the the watchtower november 1, 2009. it makes the following comment:.

  "third, unlike the protestant movement, which has splintered into hundreds of denominations, jehovahs witnesses have maintained a united global brotherhood.".

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  LostGeneration said,

  [Jehovah's Witnesses] in fact are the splinter group, both off of the Protestants and the Second adventist movement.

  JWs are a splinter group in another sense too. They broke away from the original Bible Students when that shrewd Judge Rutherford found a way to get around the last will and testament of C.T. Russell. That was a big split.