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  I went to a meeting 6 months after leaving

  by discreetslave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfthpwlk4lk.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdjvr8-ekl8&.

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  ScenicViewer

  What was your reception at the meeting? I assume that since you DA'd yourself 6months prior, no one would talk to you. Or did they?
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  Why are there two Watchtowers published? The real reason

  by exjehovah in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i talked to my dear aunt who is disfellowshipped but still has to interact with my elderly jw witness and masquerading jw aunt (really doesn't agree with the jw doctrine, but lives with my grandmother to take care of her) and she told me that there are now two watchtowers published, one that they use for congregation and the other for their "field service".. why do you suppose they are really doing that?

  is it because they are trying to keep things from the public eyes?

  i was really surprised to hear that..

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  Lots of good points being made here.

  I agree with Metatron and others, that the change required fewer mags to be printed, thus cutting operating costs.

  I also agree with Heath N, who said "The public WT is to GET THEM IN......the study WT is to KEEP THEM IN."

  Watchtower claimes to speak the "pure language" of truth (Zeph 3:9), but in reality has always spoken two languages. The first language is to attract people, and is usually based on a Bible verse that promises a paradise earth, the removal of wickedness, a world with no hunger, an end to all suffering, etc. This is fairly effective at getting people's interest since virtually all people would love to have these things in their lives.

  The second language is Organizational. It is the language of Watchtower, the language that keeps people locked in. It is full of man made rules that only pretend to be supported by the Bible. I think of it as the language of the cult, since many cults use a similar technique of luring people in, then keeping them trapped by promoting the cult's teachings, undersstandings, and loaded language.

  The transition from the first (soft) language to the second (hard) language is subtle and clever, so that a person may not even notice that he has been moved away from the 'truth' of God's Word to the controlling language and unique understandings of the religion (cult).

  I believe Processor illustrated it very well,

  Brochure: "God will do away with the wicked."

  Public Watchtower: "God will do away with all people who do not obey him."

  Internal Watchtower: "God will do away with all people who do not obey the Governing Body."

  Watchtower took advantage of at least two benefits when it cut magazine production. 1) Costs were cut, and 2) by having a Public edition and a Study edition, promoting Organizational interests by the use of the double language became easier.
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  Call to legal department Jan 6, 2012

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  troubled former witness calls legal department at the watchtower organization.............. dale beckman says, can the "society" be guilty of "alienation of affection?

  " in my case, my family has been told it is proper to hate me and to do nothing to help me in any way - otherwise, they could be considered a sharer in my works of "unforgivable sin.

  " they are told not to even greet me.

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  A question here.

  How can the wife get a divorce on the grounds of mental cruelty? It may be legal grouinds, but it isn't scriptural grounds, for a divorce.

  If there is no adultery, then only a legal separation would be in order from the JW point of view. Am I right?
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  Call to legal department Jan 6, 2012

  by koolaid-man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  troubled former witness calls legal department at the watchtower organization.............. dale beckman says, can the "society" be guilty of "alienation of affection?

  " in my case, my family has been told it is proper to hate me and to do nothing to help me in any way - otherwise, they could be considered a sharer in my works of "unforgivable sin.

  " they are told not to even greet me.

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  ScenicViewer

  Dale, in the video, says the CO remarked that you don't do anything to help an apostate; if it's pouring rain you don't let them in, you do not greet them, etc.

  This reminds me a a remark a CO made concerning DF'd people (not just apostates) years ago. He said, if you see a DF'd person stranded by the side of the road you keep going. Let someone else help them.

  What a horrible attitude toward a fellow human being. And what is it really for? To protect a human based religous organization. The love of God and love of humanity that the religion claims to have is merely lip service.
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  WTS successfully counters claims it is a "false prophet"

  by trthskr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  greetings.. http://www.jehovah.to/xlation/fp.html.

  "do not interpretations belong to god?".

  but as the saying goes; you can never satisfy a critic.. .

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  these writers consistently attack Jehovah’s Witnesses and actively seek anything that could possibly be used to discredit them - including many things published more than 100 years ago!

  ...their own utterences by the "modern day prophet" have an expiry date of less than 100 years.

  While they complain about people searching into their own past, Jehovah's Witnesses themselves will delve many hundreds of years, even thousands of years, into the past of other religous grops to discredit them. For example the Catholic Church's crusades and inquisitions, even though no longer practiced, and long since apologized for, are used to discredit the RCC.

  This another example of Watchtower's double standards
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  Generation - one more time

  by johnnyc in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sorry guys.

  i know i have brought this up before (a couple years ago), but my mother and i were talking (she is a ultra-jw) about the wt's generation, and she told me that the wt has never come out and said they took back the generation "timeframe" from 1914. she said they only changed who it was referring to - but nothing has changed on the fact within a generation from 1914 the end has to come.

  well, i went back to the 1995 article, and really didnt see where the timeframe was explicitly changed.

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  ScenicViewer

  Scans of the Awake masthead.

  Awake, October 22, 1995

  

  And the following issue, November 8, 1995

  

  As a side point, notice that the first scan says it is "the Creator's promise" that "a peaceful and secure new world" would be here "before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away."

  The Creator never made such a promise. It was Jehovah's Witnesses who made that promise, but tried to make it look like it came from God. Often JWs will say, 'but we never said it in God's name' in an attempt to sneak away from the 'flase prophet' label. However, claiming that it was "the Creator's promise" makes it "in God's name."
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  WTS successfully counters claims it is a "false prophet"

  by trthskr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  greetings.. http://www.jehovah.to/xlation/fp.html.

  "do not interpretations belong to god?".

  but as the saying goes; you can never satisfy a critic.. .

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  ScenicViewer

  ...King David loves what used to be San Diego. It's WAY better than the middle east.

  All those olive trees and palm trees that Judge Rutherford planted at Beth-Sarim, to make King David feel right at home, worked!

  What an insightful man the Judge was...or still is...he got resurrected didn't he...I think he's around here somewhere. Probably out joy riding in the King's Cadillac.
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  WTS successfully counters claims it is a "false prophet"

  by trthskr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  greetings.. http://www.jehovah.to/xlation/fp.html.

  "do not interpretations belong to god?".

  but as the saying goes; you can never satisfy a critic.. .

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  ScenicViewer

  Trthskr and Mankkeli. They both claimed to not be JWs in their early posts, then proceeded to support the WTS in every way imaginable.

  Trthskr, your "WTS is successful" posts have been unsuccessful in defending the WTS. Your post yesterday regarding the UN showed you are not familiar with the facts, nor do you appear to care.

  I have to agree, there is a striking resemblence between you and Mankkeli.
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  WTS successfully refutes bogus UN conspiracy theory/hoax

  by trthskr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/translatable.html.

  there will be more to come folks, when i'm allowed to start another topic.

  cheers.. to respond to the posting below (since i can't reply right now), it's because they weren't aware of the change until then..

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  People DIE for their Watchtower beliefs, yet their own leaders HAVE NO INTEGRITY and will sell out their beliefs for a LIBRARY CARD.

  Very well put. Why can't JWs see this more clearly?
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  "We needed to use the library"... and other wacky Watchtower excuses.

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm sure we're all familiar with the crazy excuse that the watch tower society leadership came up with to justify their nine year period as a un ngo (non governmental organization).

  amazingly, this seems to make perfect sense with watch tower apologists, who don't stop for a moment to ponder the following:.

  you don't need to be a un ngo to use the un libraryif it was so innocent for them to hold un ngo status just to use the library, why did they withdraw their status when the issue received media attention?that aside, we are now witnessing the unravelling of fresh scandals to hit the society, most notably:.

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  ScenicViewer

  Seenitall said,

  The ending of the group book study had to do with

  - Not enough locations

  - Overuse of the KH for study nights

  - Not enough conductors

  - Poor attendance

  - Hardline views [not] being the same worldwide

  - Information control

  - Conductors brought in outside research [and] other viewpoints

  - Too much socializing

  - Problems of jealousy between groups, individuals not fitting in

  All of this makes a lot more sense than the official 'high gasoline prices' explanation. Thank you for that input.