Jolene...I even like the singer better.
That was good. It's no wonder. The singer turns out to be Norah Jones!
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The music that moves you....
by FlyingHighNow inonce when i was profoundly sad for too many days, my brother in law sent us a mix tape.
he named each song after a person in our family.
this is the one he named heather.
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Whistleblower Watchtowers Dump
by Marvin Shilmer inwhistleblower watchtowers dump.
today i added a new article to my blog sharing the whistleblowers letter to new yorks department of environmental conservation (dec) disclosing watchtowers pollution sites and incidents related to it.
my article is titled whistleblower watchtowers dump and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/12/whistleblower-watchtowers-dump.html.
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I am certainly not in the know about such things, but the receipt gives some information that doesn not seem to suggest a normal tax that is routinely paid.
It says,
For: Case #3-19990826-43 WTF Shale Mine
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Division: Legal Affairs
Are taxes usually paid by Case Number to the Legal Affairs division? Or does this suggest a legal violation?
Acronymfinder.com gives one meaning of WTF as "Wastewater Treatment Facility." Atlantis notes (on page 2 of this thread) that the fine was for "polluting a pond." These two pieces of information would seem to suggest that wastewater was mismanaged by Watchtower, resulting in pollution.
If someone is familiar with the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, perhaps they could look into Case #3-19990826-43 for more meaningful information.
(In case anyone is wondering what Watchtower is doing with a Shale Mine, when I toured Watchtower Farms more than 30 years ago I remember seeing the open pit shale mine. As I recall, the shale was crushed and spread over dirt roads to pave them.)
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I'm not one to make a big deal about subliminal images because many of them are just to vague to be meaningful, to me. But there are a few that need explaining.
Does anyone have an idea about why Watchtower would insert such images into their publications? What does Watchtower hope to achieve?
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Question for those who know
by truthseeker1969 inas you all know i am not the sharpest tool in the ice box, the old lady is!.
can anyone tell me if it is in the elders book that is says if an elder commits serious sin doesnt report it and is found out, but, has the respect of the congregation it is assumed it is forgiven?.
also, one comment i read states that elders were told to destroy certain files when the data protection act came out in britain, what were those files and does anyone know anything about it?.
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A thread here,
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/7414/1/WTS-SAYS-ELDERS-SINS-DONT-COUNT#87017
shows that if an elder's sin was kept secret for 2 or 3 years, and the elder had the respect of the congregation, then it was a sign of Jehovah's forgiveness. No, the sin didn't have to be made public. Yes, he could keep his position.
The information was presented in the first Organization book, and clarified in a 1972 Kingdom Ministry, so it predates the current elder's manual by almost 40 years.
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The music that moves you....
by FlyingHighNow inonce when i was profoundly sad for too many days, my brother in law sent us a mix tape.
he named each song after a person in our family.
this is the one he named heather.
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George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Eric Clapton, Rosanne Cash and others.
All led by Rock-a-billy legend Carl Perkins.
School is in session, and it's a fun session!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztLEF8Obo9c
(Sure hope the post works. If not, you'll need to click the link.)
@ FHN, I love Dean Martin!
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Vanderhoven said,
I can't stop laughing. Look at those eyes!
Was just thinking the same thing. They are way too 'gleeful' looking.
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Still a hard line on DF family members WTApr15 2012
by Gladring inthe april 2012 wt study article has some of the most strongly worded statements about contact with disfellowshipped family members.. page 12, paragraph 17: -.
good that can come when a family loyally.
upholds jehovahs decree not to associate.
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"...he tried to involve himself in their activities, but to their credit, each member of the family was steadfast in nothaving any contact with him...Think of that if you are ever tempted to violate God’s command not to associate with your disfellowshipped relatives."
How many good people can really be buying in to this kind of thinking? How many JWs, deep down, really agree with it?
As Watchtower tires to clamp down harder, it put it's foot deeper into it's own mouth.
As it puts it's foot deeper into it's own mouth, it receives more unwanted backlash.
As it receives more unwanted backlash, it has to clamp down harder.
Watchtower is creating a vicious cycle, a downward spiral, for itself.
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What happened to Milton Henschel losing presidency?
by Band on the Run inmy family often spoke well of milton henschel.
i left when knorr was still president.
looking at the flimiest of personal infos for gb members, i noticed that henschel became president and then was demoted and don adams became president.
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I thought they rotated every year or couple years from within the GB?
I don't think the Watchtower presidents ever rotated; they stayed in for life except for Henschel.
In the early '70s, when the modern elder arrangement came into effect, congregation elders would rotate their positions. After a brief few years the rotation system was abandoned. There was never a shred of scriptural support for it anyway.
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I went to a meeting 6 months after leaving
by discreetslave inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfthpwlk4lk.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdjvr8-ekl8&.
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What was your reception at the meeting? I assume that since you DA'd yourself 6months prior, no one would talk to you. Or did they?
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Why are there two Watchtowers published? The real reason
by exjehovah inso i talked to my dear aunt who is disfellowshipped but still has to interact with my elderly jw witness and masquerading jw aunt (really doesn't agree with the jw doctrine, but lives with my grandmother to take care of her) and she told me that there are now two watchtowers published, one that they use for congregation and the other for their "field service".. why do you suppose they are really doing that?
is it because they are trying to keep things from the public eyes?
i was really surprised to hear that..
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Lots of good points being made here.
I agree with Metatron and others, that the change required fewer mags to be printed, thus cutting operating costs.
I also agree with Heath N, who said "The public WT is to GET THEM IN......the study WT is to KEEP THEM IN."
Watchtower claimes to speak the "pure language" of truth (Zeph 3:9), but in reality has always spoken two languages. The first language is to attract people, and is usually based on a Bible verse that promises a paradise earth, the removal of wickedness, a world with no hunger, an end to all suffering, etc. This is fairly effective at getting people's interest since virtually all people would love to have these things in their lives.
The second language is Organizational. It is the language of Watchtower, the language that keeps people locked in. It is full of man made rules that only pretend to be supported by the Bible. I think of it as the language of the cult, since many cults use a similar technique of luring people in, then keeping them trapped by promoting the cult's teachings, undersstandings, and loaded language.
The transition from the first (soft) language to the second (hard) language is subtle and clever, so that a person may not even notice that he has been moved away from the 'truth' of God's Word to the controlling language and unique understandings of the religion (cult).
I believe Processor illustrated it very well,
Brochure: "God will do away with the wicked."
Public Watchtower: "God will do away with all people who do not obey him."
Internal Watchtower: "God will do away with all people who do not obey the Governing Body."
Watchtower took advantage of at least two benefits when it cut magazine production. 1) Costs were cut, and 2) by having a Public edition and a Study edition, promoting Organizational interests by the use of the double language became easier.
