Posts by ScenicViewer

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He's Trying to get me to come back to the fold...by admitting the faults of the Watchtower

by PYRAMIDSCHEME in

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my firend (who is an elder) recently sent the email below trying to get me to come back.

he freely admits the faults of the wt and even goes on to say that even if they did not have gods holy spirit, he felt they would still have gods blessing as the one true religion.

i thought i would get your thoughts on this as it really is (sadly) delusional.

ScenicViewer

"The majority of people in the world are not of a scholarly bent. People hate to read. People hate to research things. Most people are content to simply be programmed with a singular line of thought. ...."

Nice observation Ziddina. He is really describing JWs to a T.

The people he calls 'apostate' are the ones most likely to dig deep. People here on JWN for example...

- do much more scholarly research than JWs.

- have read much more than JWs.

- have researched more than JWs.

- are not content to be programmed.

It's just amazing that JWs continue to think that they are the most thinking and educated people on earth.

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He's Trying to get me to come back to the fold...by admitting the faults of the Watchtower

by PYRAMIDSCHEME in

jw
friends

my firend (who is an elder) recently sent the email below trying to get me to come back.

he freely admits the faults of the wt and even goes on to say that even if they did not have gods holy spirit, he felt they would still have gods blessing as the one true religion.

i thought i would get your thoughts on this as it really is (sadly) delusional.

ScenicViewer

I just read through that second to last paragraph...

- Wondering about the light getting brighter

- whether the governing body is scriptural

- what Jesus meant by Faithful and Discreet Slave

- how can the Bible reconcile the ice age

- what is the correct understanding of "this generation"

- what is the cry of peace and security

- is the interpretation of the Revelation It's Grand Climax book really accurate

- why are so many still claiming to be of the anointed

- did Jesus start reigning in the First Century or in 1914

- what was the purpose of the dinosaurs

- does the Governing Body have the right to tell us not to practice oral sex

- why can't we grow beards

- can we consider those who commit apostasy as sinning against the Holy Spirit

- did Rutherford have an affair with his secretary

- what is the Sign of the Son of Man going to look like

- did the Jews or the Romans kill Jesus

- and so forth . . . and so forth . . .just gives us topics to speculate on and have really good discussions about.

He certainly is willing to overlook a lot isn't he? Would he be will willing to overlook all of these things if they came from another church, or would these things be proof positive that the any other church is false religion?

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I May Have Found Loophole!

by Yan Bibiyan in

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Yan Bibiyan said,

...I am looking at the legalistic angle: the latest and greatest noo lite is very specific - Disfellowshipped.

It's true that Watchtower is extremely legalistic, but by all accounts when you get behind closed doors with elders or a judicial committee they will apply what they want. They can either ignore or apply their own legalism as it suits them at any given moment.

When they are shown something from the literature that doesn't suit them, it will mean nothing. The loopholes are virtually always on their side.

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Misquotes in WT literature- esp Reasoning from the Scriptures

by WildeLover in

hola a todos.

i am compiling a some misquotes dossier to present to one of my friends on jws and misquotes.

i think it will wake him up to the lies of the wts.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses, Higher Education and Misrepresentation

by Barbara Anderson

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/133804/1/JWs-Higher-Education-and-Misrepresentation-by-Barb-Anderson

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On giving blood

by Dogpatch in

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hi friends,.

we have a drive at our new ajwrb.org site for donating blood for witnesses!

great publicity campaign, as people will finally realize that jehovah's witnesses do take blood transfusions!time to end the word-game charade.

ScenicViewer

Thank you for the link to the article by Kerry Louderback Wood. Scanning it quickly, it appears to be a very good read, which I will do later. I had not seen this article previously.

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Starting a Youtube channel that will apposing JW doctrine

by levicolemagic in

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i apologise that i only seem to post when i have something i'm working on that i would like to have everyon check out.

i am currently starting a youtube channel where i will talk about the false teachings of the borg.

i know its been done, but it's almost like therapy for me.

ScenicViewer

Congratulations Levi on a job well done. Best wishes for all of your future YouTube presentations.

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A letter from John Steele Re: Menlo Park KH Law Suit

by Devil_Fish in

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Letter is here.

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WTBTS & Pedophiles: What the BSA can teach you!

by 00DAD in

ok, i guess i picked a poor title for this thread originally so i'm going try again with a different title!

(seven hours and no hits ...).

this fox news article made some interesting points.

ScenicViewer

JWs will defend themselves against child abuse allegations by saying they have no more molestors, per their numbers, than other organizations.

The difference is that some other organizations show concern for people by taking steps to control/elimanate the problem, whereas JWs take steps to cover it up. Rather than caring about people, JWs care about their own organizational image.

This is a big difference.

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I can't believe this

by truthseeker1969 in

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you all know i was in the uk settling estate issues and that the elders 'wanted to chat with me".. well i left before they could have the meeting i arranged on my "free day".. they turned up at my mothers home and were livid that i had gone, but here is the kicker.. brother heavenly described me as a potential apostate for what i had done, which sent my brother over the edge and he demanded a retraction and apology which they quickly gave him.

he intends to speak with the co when he comes on the matter.. it gets better, elder ballbag actually said "apostates do more good for the congregation than they think.

they pull those who should not be part of the org and clean the congregation" .

ScenicViewer

An elder making a statement on how apostates do more good for the congregation is a contradition...he is causing a division and can and should be labeled a apostate for his own independent thinking.

Very good observation 2tone.

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I can't believe this

by truthseeker1969 in

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friends

you all know i was in the uk settling estate issues and that the elders 'wanted to chat with me".. well i left before they could have the meeting i arranged on my "free day".. they turned up at my mothers home and were livid that i had gone, but here is the kicker.. brother heavenly described me as a potential apostate for what i had done, which sent my brother over the edge and he demanded a retraction and apology which they quickly gave him.

he intends to speak with the co when he comes on the matter.. it gets better, elder ballbag actually said "apostates do more good for the congregation than they think.

they pull those who should not be part of the org and clean the congregation" .

ScenicViewer

Truthseeker1969, I remember your original post. It was a very clever move to schedule your meeting with the elders on your first free day, but a day that you were back home in another country! Thanks for the update.

One of the elders said,

"apostates do more good for the congregation than they think. They pull those who should not be part of the Org and clean the congregation"

Is there no end to the slanted way JWs think? Any action, whether positive or negative, is spun in their own heads to be good for the Organization.

If they really believed that, then why aren't they embracing apostates as 'God's cleaner fish' rather than declaring them to be 'mentally diseased,' and 'worthy of slaughter,' and vigorously directing that they be shunned?

I believe that such remarks are a sign that 'apostates' are having a greater impact on the Watchtower organization than they want to admit and they really don't know what to do about it.