Hello Londo111,
I've been looking for anything with 1975 mentioned in it. That is a great example.
Which tract was that? Can you post a scan of the whole thing, front, back, and inside pages?
Nice find.
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Is annual meeting F&DS change a troll?
by EndofMysteries ini went to the reddit site supposedly where the rumor started.
anybody know that guy?
unless i see notes, and how they explained it, if it was an hour long, or hear it, it's a troll for the moment.
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Don't you love the circular reasoning involved in this?
The Faithful and Discreet Slave is made up of a small group of anointed men at Brooklyn Headquarters who serve spiritual food during Christ's presence. How do we know? Because the Governing Body says so.
Basically the GB has declared itself to be the FDS!
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Showed Spouse A Quote In the Bound Volume
by turtleturtle inas part of family worship last night, i pulled out the bound volumes i have been harvesting from different sources lately and showed my spouse the following quote:.
awake!1969 may 22 p.15 .
"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
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Scan of Watchtower 5-1-1997, p8. Note paragraph 1.
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Showed Spouse A Quote In the Bound Volume
by turtleturtle inas part of family worship last night, i pulled out the bound volumes i have been harvesting from different sources lately and showed my spouse the following quote:.
awake!1969 may 22 p.15 .
"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
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Irondodrk, that is a great quote. By saying that, Watchtower is actually condemning itself!
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Showed Spouse A Quote In the Bound Volume
by turtleturtle inas part of family worship last night, i pulled out the bound volumes i have been harvesting from different sources lately and showed my spouse the following quote:.
awake!1969 may 22 p.15 .
"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
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Turtleturtle, that article is a classic!
Many Witnesses feel that the Society would never lie or mislead, but that quote shows just the opposite.
Some will try to explain it away as being simply a misunderstanding, but what False Prophet does not have a misunderstanding? They all do!
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Why No Disfellowshipping Before 1952?
by blondie inwhy was there no official arrangement before 1952 to disfellowship people?
was there a different procedure with a different name?
was no one committing disfellowshipping offenses?
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Christ Alone said,
Cris Sanchez said that he felt like the GB...would have killed him if they had the chance.
That reminds me of a Watchtower remark regarding the extermination of apostates. If not for Bible laws and the laws of the land, they seem to suggest that even family relations should be executed.
(W 11-15-1952 p703-704, QFR)
"We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel...
"Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship."
So, in today's world, Watchtower can take action against apostates only so far, and it sounds like they would actually prefer executing family members, per this remark,
"...forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship".
As though everybody should have the right to execute their own family? Am I missing something here? What do you readers make of that remark?
How sad for them.
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Why No Disfellowshipping Before 1952?
by blondie inwhy was there no official arrangement before 1952 to disfellowship people?
was there a different procedure with a different name?
was no one committing disfellowshipping offenses?
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Are You Also Excommunicated?
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(Awake 1-8-1947)
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Why No Disfellowshipping Before 1952?
by blondie inwhy was there no official arrangement before 1952 to disfellowship people?
was there a different procedure with a different name?
was no one committing disfellowshipping offenses?
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I like Black Sheep's reference because it describes how disfellowshipped people are to be treated - as an outsider - like a 'publican', or as the NWT says, a 'tax collector', and they can't hold Church office. In other words, like a normal person of the world, a non-Christian.
This seems to be much different from the total cutting off and shunning that the Society today promotes, since outsiders are still spoken to and treated politely.
Jesus had no problem approaching Matthew, a tax collector, to be one of his apostles.
How the Watchtower has changed!
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Why No Disfellowshipping Before 1952?
by blondie inwhy was there no official arrangement before 1952 to disfellowship people?
was there a different procedure with a different name?
was no one committing disfellowshipping offenses?
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Blondie asked,
Does anyone know of some quotes from the WT publications before 1950 regarding disfellowshipping? Here are a couple. I. This article discusses elders that are opposed to “The Finished Mystery,” which is the 7th Vol of “Studies in the Scriptures.” If they are opposed to the book, they are opposed to, and out of harmony with, the Society’s work, and they are breeding discontent and trouble. Even so, should they be disfellowshipped? The article says No! Today the DF'ing would be swift on the charge of apostasy. (W 3-1-1918 p6220 of Reprints) (The quote is split into two parts due to column split in the Reprints)
II. This Watchtower reference is critical of Churches that bring "taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution" on any members that dare to express disapproval of the religion. Notice the remark about being held in 'creedal bondage...in prisons against their sense of justice and right.' Over time, Watchtower has become just like the Churches that it continues to condemn. (from Marvin Shilmer's blog, http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/04/cruelty-and-threat-shunning-and.html ) (W 10-1-1930 p301) -
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Teenage son's last WT comment. Major sphincter puckering on my part.
by Open mind ini thought maybe some of us might enjoy something light-hearted to start the week off.
at dinner last night my teenage son reminded me of the last kh meeting he attended with me about a year ago.
he is a big fan of christopher hitchins and self-identifies as an atheist.
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Your Thelma and Louise apostate convertible? Now that's funny. Glad you had a safe landing.
II. This Watchtower reference is critical of Churches that bring "taunts, reproaches, 