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  Lawsuit Settlement Amounts

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

  i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

  how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?

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  ScenicViewer

  Questioning someone who states something as an absolute fact to show proof how dare I.

  Did B. Anderson, JWFacts, or JWsurvey state a sealed amount as "an absolute fact?" If they did please give references, links, etc.
  
  
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  Why Don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses Respond to All Accusations Made Against Them? FROM WEBSITE

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you could fertilize your garden with this shite.... https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/respond-to-accusations/.

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  ScenicViewer

  The Streisand Effect is when you try to hide something and it backfires, causing more people to know in the end than if you hadn't tried to hide it.

  (Wikipedia's explanation.)

  Someone took a pic of Barbra Streisand's house and published it online. She fought to have it removed, presumably because she didn't want people being able to figure out where she lived.

  At the time of her suit to have it removed the photo had only been viewed a few times and some of those viewings were by her own attorneys, but because of the publicity the suit brought the photo was viewed many thousands of times.

  (Photos here.)
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  Reveal News Hosts a Conference About JWs and Child Sex Abuse

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  reveal news hosts a conference about jws and child sex abuse; the world is finally noticing!.

  by alexandra james on april 26, 2017 • ( 9 comments ).

  on april 26, 2017, in london, reveal news hosted a conference regarding the problem of jehovah’s witnesses and child sex abuse.

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  ScenicViewer

  That then is out of the realm of journalism at least in my view.....Richard Oliver

  That's because your view is clouded. Normal people cannot know about the horrible way Watchtower treats abuse victims - their total misapplication of the Bible's 2-witness rule, the ultimate shunning of the victims in many cases, and not reporting abusers to authorities - and not be moved by the inhumanity of it.

  Only Jehovah's Witnesses and their apologists can look the other way regarding these issues. Even JWs are appalled by these actions when committed by someone else, but when Watchtower does it those same JWs will bend over backward to defend their religion and their leaders.

  The blinders need to come off.
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  Reveal News Hosts a Conference About JWs and Child Sex Abuse

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  reveal news hosts a conference about jws and child sex abuse; the world is finally noticing!.

  by alexandra james on april 26, 2017 • ( 9 comments ).

  on april 26, 2017, in london, reveal news hosted a conference regarding the problem of jehovah’s witnesses and child sex abuse.

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  ScenicViewer

  From the linked article...

  Also on hand were the producers of the Oscar-winning movie “Spotlight.”

  Yes there were some high profile people there. This was apparently a much more serious event than I had imagined.

  Lisa [Flynn, Australian attorney] is talking about the Australian Royal Commission statistics, Watchtower attitudes, and the opportunity for concealment charges.

  I sure hope something comes of that!
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  The Governing Body WILL be sued in America collectively and individually in the near future!

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so lloyd evans aka cedars says on his facebook page when he attended a reveal jw child abuse event.. .

  interesting stuff but no details!.

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  ScenicViewer

  Then point to another case where Watchtower was held liable by either a jury or a judge other than the Conti case. If there are all of these this should be the simplest argument.

  No it shouldn't and you are fully aware of it. In another lame attempt to distort the facts you say "if there all of these." No one claimed there are "all of these" cases won by jury or judge ruling.

  It only takes one major loss to wake up a major corporation into settling future cases when the facts are against them. You know this but you continue with your straw man arguments in a desperate attempt to make Watchtower look innocent.
  

  I can give you a list of cases that Watchtower has won.

  Of course you can, but it is meaningless. Every corporation wins cases, but the cases they feel they can't win they pay out to avoid a loss by jury or judge.

  Actually I am surprised that Watchtower let the Conti case go to trial. They should have settled that one too, but it was presumably their arrogance that led them to thinking they couldn't lose because God was on their side. That case dragged on for years, and even though punitive damages were thrown out on appeal the cost to the Organization was huge in terms of public image, loss of new members, and contribution money. It was a HUGE black eye for Watchtower with long term consequences.

  Since then they know better and are very willing to curb the damages by paying out quietly and insisting on a non-disclosure clause so the whole sordid affair can be kept as quiet as possible, as any 'worldly' corporation would do.
  

  
  
  
  
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  The Governing Body WILL be sued in America collectively and individually in the near future!

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so lloyd evans aka cedars says on his facebook page when he attended a reveal jw child abuse event.. .

  interesting stuff but no details!.

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  ScenicViewer

  And the latest case is the Lewis case where again the court ruled that she could not prevail because Watchtower had no duty to protect.

  Another straw man argument. Having a duty to protect is only a portion of what constitutes liability, it isn't the whole case as you seem to imply.
  
  
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  The Governing Body WILL be sued in America collectively and individually in the near future!

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so lloyd evans aka cedars says on his facebook page when he attended a reveal jw child abuse event.. .

  interesting stuff but no details!.

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  ScenicViewer

  Please explain how Watchtower did not benefit from the appeals ruling.

  You are setting up a straw man argument. No one said that Watchtower didn't benefit from having the punitive damages removed on appeal in the Conti case. Of course they did, they saved multi millions of dollars. But the loss is still there over a child molestation case and it is not the kind of public image that Watchtower wants or needs.

  And the Conti case is the first in a line of such cases that are resulting in loss for Watchtower, whether thru verdict or voluntary settlements. No matter how you rationalize this, Watchtower can't escape the stigma that results from these loses.
  
  
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  The Governing Body WILL be sued in America collectively and individually in the near future!

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so lloyd evans aka cedars says on his facebook page when he attended a reveal jw child abuse event.. .

  interesting stuff but no details!.

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  ScenicViewer

  And just as you say that Watchtower feared to lose the person who accepts the settlement may have feared to lose too.

  I don't believe that for a second. Watchtower desperately needs a win over which it can boast and gain back a small amount of public image. If there is any way the Organization thinks it can win it will stick with the case to the end.

  When Watchtower lost the Conti case it was the first case the Organization lost since the Olin Moyle case in the late 1930s/early 1940s. In the intervening time sexual abuse cases hadn't surfaced, but now that they have it's a whole different ball game for Watchtower.

  In the Conti case, in fact, it was a victory for watchtower. It showed that Watchtower did not have a duty to warn or a duty to protect.

  No, the Conti case was a loss for Watchtower. Your reference is to the punitive damages only, not to the compensatory damages which were in the millions by themselves. What did Watchtower and Conti settle for? No one knows, but it is always Watchtower that insists on the non-disclosure agreement, indicating that if the amount was known it would be humiliating for the Organization.
  
  

  Again name one case.

  Again you are being disingenuous (but I've grown accustomed to it).
  
  
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  The Governing Body WILL be sued in America collectively and individually in the near future!

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so lloyd evans aka cedars says on his facebook page when he attended a reveal jw child abuse event.. .

  interesting stuff but no details!.

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  ScenicViewer

  Other than the conti case please name a case where a jury found that Watchtower was liable for something and that it wasn't reversed on appeal.

  
  

  Most of the cases that Watchtower figures to lose it settles, as in the recent Fessler case. For you to say "name a case where a jury found that Watchtower was liable..." is extremely disingenuous. Watchtower learned a hard lesson in the Conti case and most cases where a jury would have found in favor of the plantiff will now be settled by the WTS because it saves public exposure and humiliation.
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  Circuit Overseer's Idiotic Comment

  by FedUpJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at last night's clam the circuit overseer made this comment, "we elders sometimes have to act as judges in the congregation.

  but we (the elders) are imperfect, and so cannot know everything about judicial matters.

  that is why we (the elders) have the biblical rule that there must be at least two witnesses to wrongdoing.

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  ScenicViewer

  In the latest policy letter. There is no longer the need for two witnesses in order for the abuse to be reported to secular authorities.

  And why did it take many decades for the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses to get to the point of even thinking about contacting authorities? Two reasons - public humiliation and loss of money as a result court cases - the only two things that JWs really respond to. (The Bible itself is simply a prop to JWs)

  And even now there is reason to believe that reporting probably won't happen if the legal dept thinks it can skirt the law and get away with it.