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  Journal Club: Are Professors All Atheists? (video)

  by bohm in

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  this is a must-see no matter religious orientation for anyone who believe universities are mostly populated by atheists:.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urv-bqyrbfa&feature=feedu.

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  Well, no doubt there ARE many atheists on campuses, but I know some who are not so. I had lunch with a philosophy professor fairly recently. He teaches in a dept. where only a few of the faculty are 'theists' (including him, though not religious) to use his term. Most are atheists. But I've known numerous others, esp. in theology/religious studies, history, the arts, music, social sciences, and a few even in the hard sciences who believe in some sort of God/god. I've known a number of Catholic professors. Of course, there are some Jewish professors at all sorts of universities, and many of them are believers (but not all —just think of Freud).

  Hope this helps.
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  Watchtower’s Enlightenment — And Then Comes Blood

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  watchtowers enlightenment and then comes blood .

  recently my blog presentations have peered into tall tales of demonism published by watchtower.

  what is my point?

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  Marvin

  thx for the reply. Any info on this other elder from 2006? Perhaps available on your site? Elsewhere?
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  Anyone know of a list of the 540+ variants?

  by aristeas in

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  last year (oct.) the society of biblical literature (sbl) published a new greek text of the new testament, called the sbl edition.

  its editor is michael holmes, a prof. of biblical studies at bethel college in st. paul, mn.

  he had previously published a number of greek editions with english translations of the apostolic fathers (af, basically the church fathers who most immediately followed the apostles, usu.

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  I think we are both having more time to spend with the text. Here are those links wiht non-professional review that I was going to post, but I got interrupted:

  http://hypotyposeis.org/weblog/2010/10/initial-impressions-of-the-sbl-greek-new-testament.html

  http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2011/06/review-of-sbl-greek-new-testament.html

  If you want to try to DL Elliott's scholarly review, here's the link (it's in the JTS), but you have to access it at a library that subscribes or shell out the money yourself:

  http://jts.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/03/06/jts.flr014.extract

  Jas. 5:4 isn't the only substantial variant; 2 Jo 12: 'you' vs. 'us' is an important difference too!

  What happened with the NIV was the same as the NEB. Originally a group of scholars worked indepently on translating different books, each probably using and comparing the available texts. Then editorial committees had their say. What resulted was a translation based on no one single text, but a variety. Like RGV Tasker did with the Greek text 'behind' the NEB, that is, put together the ecclectic Greek text as a retroversion from the English long after the NEB was published, so these chaps Goodrich and Lukaszewski, via Goodrick and Kohlenberger, have done the same with the NIV. Verstehen Sie?
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  Watchtower’s Enlightenment — And Then Comes Blood

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  watchtowers enlightenment and then comes blood .

  recently my blog presentations have peered into tall tales of demonism published by watchtower.

  what is my point?

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  aristeas

  Marvin,

  Do you know whatever became of Randy Jensen whose correspondence re: blood with the O has been published all over the net? Is he still in? Been DFed or DAed? The correspondence (some of which you quote in your most recent blog) ends in 2003 with his resigning as an elder. Sort of leaves the reader hanging...
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  Anyone know of a list of the 540+ variants?

  by aristeas in

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  last year (oct.) the society of biblical literature (sbl) published a new greek text of the new testament, called the sbl edition.

  its editor is michael holmes, a prof. of biblical studies at bethel college in st. paul, mn.

  he had previously published a number of greek editions with english translations of the apostolic fathers (af, basically the church fathers who most immediately followed the apostles, usu.

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  I have had some more time to spend with the SBLGNT. Here are some of my observations. The on-line version may be a little more difficult to use than the hardbound copy b/c it’s easier to flip pages perhaps than open up several pdf documents at once due to desktop space. On the issue of brackets, let me correct my last post. On p. xiv, note 16, Holmes states that they ‘have been employed in this edition sparingly’ and goes on to list only 6 instances at the end of the long note. Sparingly indeed! Below are some links to non-professional reviews. There is one professional review I found on line, but one must get to a university library that subscribes ($/£/€) to DL those. I will try to do this soon. If anyone wants a copy, you’ll have to PM me as I tried to post a link to Zoe Knox’s article after I DLed that, but it would not take at two hosts. I suspect these electronically ULed scholarly articles are somehow coded so that someone who has DLed one cannot then UL it and link it. Otherwise, I would just UL it and post the link here.
  
  I found a partial list of the 540+ passages in the text itself. The last pdf document is labelled ‘back’. When you open it up, it’s called an appendix. Here it gives a list of where the SBLGNT differs from the ECM. Although ECM is not defined, I think it’s the Editio Critica Maior, a huge project of producing a NA sort of text with ALL the variants listed. Evidently, so far only the Catholic letters have been done. Hence that’s all Holmes has listed. If I’m wrong here, someone can correct me. Anyway, there is a list of 39 differences between Holmes and the ‘standard text’. Now we need the other 501+! I’m still looking for that info. Surely some computer geek has already done this, so if you run into it, please share the link.
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  Anyone know of a list of the 540+ variants?

  by aristeas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  last year (oct.) the society of biblical literature (sbl) published a new greek text of the new testament, called the sbl edition.

  its editor is michael holmes, a prof. of biblical studies at bethel college in st. paul, mn.

  he had previously published a number of greek editions with english translations of the apostolic fathers (af, basically the church fathers who most immediately followed the apostles, usu.

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  ML,

  Thx for the input. Others have done what you have (at least those I found on the google search), look at some differences. I was hoping s.o. will have seen or know of a complete list. One thing I've found is that Holmes brackets nothing. He doesn't even note other texts (which he reports) that do! That's very unusual for a NT Greek text. One might even argue that he's misrepresenting the sources he cites. He does read differently from UBS/NA at Acts 13.33, which is a pretty interesting textual problem, at least according to Metzger. I think his choice of sources cited in the apparatus was largely determined by copyright — they are all in the public domain or have given him permission. That's why it looks so dated on his sources.
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  Anyone know of a list of the 540+ variants?

  by aristeas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  last year (oct.) the society of biblical literature (sbl) published a new greek text of the new testament, called the sbl edition.

  its editor is michael holmes, a prof. of biblical studies at bethel college in st. paul, mn.

  he had previously published a number of greek editions with english translations of the apostolic fathers (af, basically the church fathers who most immediately followed the apostles, usu.

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  Last year (Oct.) the Society of Biblical Literature (SBL) published a new Greek text of the New Testament, called the SBL edition. Its editor is Michael Holmes, a prof. of biblical studies at Bethel College in St. Paul, MN. He had previously published a number of Greek editions with English translations of the apostolic fathers (AF, basically the church fathers who most immediately followed the apostles, usu. in the 2nd cent.). Holmes’ AF 3rd and final ed. came out in 2007. He is well qualified to do the new SBL Greek NT as he studied the subject under the late Bruce Metzer at Princeton and has published many studies on the NT’s text.
  
  For the last few decades the main text(s) that scholars have used are the Nestle-Aland (NA, in many editions, lately the 27th) and the United Bible Societies Greek NT (UBS) now in its fourth ed. In 1975 for the appearance of the 3rd ed., the UBS committee and Aland decided to both print the same Greek text. In other words, previous disagreements about what the Greek NT should read were worked out and both the NA and the UBS have read the same since 1975.The only differences remaining are things like punctuation, headings, etc. and most importantly, the notes at each page’s bottom explaining what the manuscripts and other testimony are for the problem passages. This identical reading has come to be called “the standard text.”
  
  The SBL ed. is available in a bound copy ($$/££/€€) but is also available for FREE on line at http://sblgnt.com in an electronic version. Since this has been out electronically now for nearly a year, and since Holmes states in the preface “the SBLGNT differs from the standard text in more than 540 variation units” (p. viii), I was wondering if anybody knows if someone has put out some list of these differences.
  
  Can anybody help out here?
  
  Of course, I have already done searches and plenty is on now on line about this text, but I could not find any list of the 540 differences. I thought that with BibleWorks and Accordance, someone might have easily compiled a list.
  
  One further point: this is just a GREEK text. There is no English, nor does the textual apparatus (notes at the bottom) give individual manuscript readings. Rather the apparatus just reports on other Greek texts’ readings. The apparatus is explained in the introduction.
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  No need to know Hebrew and Greek for Bible Translation, according to the Watchtower's Branch Organization Manual revised 2003

  by dgp in

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  i copied this from page 153 of the branch organization manual, effective: december 15, 1977, revised: february 2003. .

  it is not necessary for bible translators to know.

  by using this file, such scriptures will be ren-.

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  How confidential must all this stuff be if s.o. has the Branch Organization book and puts quotations from it on line????

  Is this a joke or what?
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  Convention without a 'Badge'

  by IMHO in

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  i attended a convention recently but didn't wear a badge i was treated with the utmost suspicion.

  particularly when i arrived during the sessions one day.

  the attendant didn't want me wandering off to find a seat on my own.

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  Wow! I didn't know they'd gone to badges! How does one get a badge?

  IMHO, if you are male, do you have facial hair (that always sets off alarms)? Did you wear a tie?

  Have any opposers gone into business selling fake badges? Imagine setting up a booth outside the convention site with free fake badges that looked real! What would they do? Start issuing real ones with holograms? Go to fingerprint or DNA checks?

  The whole concept of security seemed like a joke to me at these DCs. What woud they really do if s.o. got rowdy or pulled out a weapon? They don't have real cops there — or do they now?
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  Zoe Knox's article

  by aristeas in

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  the june, 2011 issue of the journal of religious history (religious history a sociological perspective) contains an article that some might find interesting (and perhaps a little naive) on jws and their history.

  for what it's worth i dled it from a university webpage that pays to subscribe to the journal and then tried posting it on zhare, but didn't take.

  anyone got another free, no-need-to-join host that i can post it on so all can dl it?

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  Email already sent, BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP ME WITH A FREE HOST, even if she says OK! I don't know why the attempted UL at zshare didn't work. I've used it before. Somebody will still need to steer me to another host, one that accepts pdfs.