Perhaps you aren't getting the point of the myth.
Posts by Sulla
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5The Truth That Leads To a BETTER Life
by King Solomon inif you are reading this now, you are amongst the fortunate.
you haven't fallen for the lie any longer.
oh, it was a seductive message: "the truth that leads to eternal life".... wouldn't that be nice?.
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The Truth That Leads To a BETTER Life
by King Solomon inif you are reading this now, you are amongst the fortunate.
you haven't fallen for the lie any longer.
oh, it was a seductive message: "the truth that leads to eternal life".... wouldn't that be nice?.
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Is this valid reasoning for Trinitarian Doctrine?
by Flat_Accent ini had been watching jwfairytale's videos recently, and he's been including snippets of this short film about a guy that becomes a jw and then changes to a born again, or so i think.
you can watch it here.
it's very dated, but quite enjoyable:.
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Sulla
"complete Trinit" prior to 250? Not sure, there's bits and pieces here and there; mostly, the focus was on the divinity of Jesus.
With respect to Justin Martyr, several chapters really hit on the idea. Couple quick quotes:
Chapter 38
And Trypho said, "Sir, it were good for us if we obeyed our teachers, who laid down a law that we should have no intercourse with any of you, and that we should not have even any communication with you on these questions. For you utter many blasphemies, in that you seek to persuade us that this crucified man was with Moses and Aaron, and spoke to them in the pillar of the cloud; then that he became man, was crucified, and ascended up to heaven, and comes again to earth, and ought to be worshipped."
Chapter 48
And Trypho said, "We have heard what you think of these matters [of salvation through Christ -- Sulla]. Resume the discourse where you left off, and bring it to an end. For some of it appears to me to be paradoxical, and wholly incapable of proof. For when you say that this Christ existed as God before the ages, then that He submitted to be born and become man, yet that He is not man of man, this[assertion] appears to me to be not merely paradoxical, but also foolish."
Chapter 55
And Trypho answered, "We shall remember this your exposition, if you strengthen[your solution of] this difficulty by other arguments: but now resume the discourse, and show us that the Spirit of prophecy admits another God sides the Maker of all things, taking care not to speak of the sun and moon, which, it is written, God has given to the nations to worship as gods; and oftentimes the prophets, employing this manner of speech, say that 'thy God is a God of gods, and a Lord of lords,' adding frequently, 'the great and strong and terrible[God].' For such expressions are used, not as if they really were gods, but because the Scripture is teaching us that the true God, who made all things, is Lord alone of those who are reputed gods and lords. And in order that the Holy Spirit may convince of this, He said by the holy David, 'The gods of the nations, reputed gods, are idols of demons, and not gods;' and He denounces a curse on those who worship them."
Chapter 68
And Trypho said, "You endeavour to prove an incredible and well-nigh impossible thing;[namely], that God endured to be born and become man."
Basially, the 50s and 60s are chapters where Trypho and Justin go back and forth on exactly this question of Jesus being God. Justin makes use of several examples from the OT that get picked up by others: the incident at Mamre and the destruction of Sodom and others. He also makes use of the repeatedly-quoted 110 Psalm: "The Lord said to my Lord, ..." So, if you can get through the first 50 chapters, almost the rest of the work is discussing the divinity of Christ, or some aspect of it.
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You might think that I am a pervert this time, I do not care.
by Iamallcool inhttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/michelle-jenneke-australian-hurdler-dancing-sensation-042218109--oly.html.
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Sulla
When I was a teenager, I used to walk through the apartment complex to the pool or other destinations. I'd pass this group of kids that were 12 and under. They would chant, "Left, left, left, right left" and then laugh loudly.
Ah. This is, as you no doubt know, the origin of the song, "Honkey Tonk Badonkadonk," which includes this very chant. And, no, it is not a curse.
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You might think that I am a pervert this time, I do not care.
by Iamallcool inhttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/michelle-jenneke-australian-hurdler-dancing-sensation-042218109--oly.html.
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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Prohibition, a Satanic plot
by Norm inda judge j. f. rutherford had some rather bizarre ideas regarding many things, it is however quite rare to come across anything quite so strange as his opinion of the prohibition in the us in the twenties.
rutherford loved his booze and didnt take kindly to the prohibition.
in an article with the title prohibition published in the november 1, 1924 issue of the watchtower he really let it rip and showed his power of reason in full flight.
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Sulla
Ok, but Prohibition really was a Satanic plot. The Lord of the Flies sometimes uses really ugly biddies to do his bidding, in this case, to take away some of the joy of life.
In one of the times the Catholic Bishops of the US stood up for right in our nation, they condemned Prohibition as an unjust law. An unjust law is, of course, no law at all and no one is under obligation to obey it.
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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Sulla
Good question pseudosomething. Don't we have evidence of a conceptual leap: in one time, we don't do art but in another time, we do? Total speculation, but it seems to me that the abstract/artistic thinking is a key attribute. For example, I don't think homo ergaster, buried their dead, but neanderthal did. I know, there's, like, a million years difference between these guys, but you catch my drift.
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Ex-JW Teens Get Screwed Out of College
by dontplaceliterature inmy kid sister is dfd and can't get federal aid because she is still considered a dependant.
she lives alone, has no job at the moment, and has no friends.
my folks won't give her a dime for college, so she's basically screwed.
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Sulla
In the American context, the idea that parents would actively fight the idea of college education is very weird. I could easiy be assumed that any such claim as your sister's is just an attempt to game the system. Doesn't make it any better, I know, but there is a certain rationality behind it, I think.
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Theistic Evolution
by cofty inthoughtful christians including scientists like francis collins and kenneth miller accept the evidence for evolution unconditionally.
the only thing that distinguishes their understanding of life from the views of dawkins is that they believe god planned and started the process intentionally.. just a word about the subtle but vital distinction between "theistic evolution" and "intelligent design".... over-simplifications alert - intelligent design is creationism in disguise.
it is a modern twist on the "paley's watch" argument.
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Sulla
Evolution is an effective way to maximise suffering.
It is. It is also an effective way to maximize the smarts of creatures. Without evolution, we don't get dolphins or chimps or you and me.
Evolution is a massively wasteful process. Over 95% of life forms that have ever lived have gone extinct, they got thrown on the scrapheap of failed designs.
It is. But "scrapheap" is a little harsh, I think. They were effective for a time but got obsolete because of counter-responses from the competiton.
A god must have observed suffering on an unimaginable scale for millions of years.
And observing still. Assad has done some really shocking things to the children of the opposition, to pick a curent example. He is not really an innovator in this field.
God's passive role in all of this has to give us pause.
Yes. You are speaking specifically of the horrors inflicted to and by non-human creatures. For these we cannot really simply ascribe evil as a function of free will and so on.
So, evolution is brutal. But doesn't this amount to a complaint that God chose not to short-circuit the process? A sort of wish that the Genesis story were literally true and not a myth? I guess my question back is: is it really true that a good creator could only have created life (and the universe, really) without using a process as brutal as evolution? That the whole process of placing life in every possible place on the planet could only be justly implemented by herbivorous creature who gently pass from this life painlessly and in their sleep?
Maybe it is better to start at a different point. Seeing all this suffering, couldn't one conclude that God is very much like Ares, who actually likes suffering and pain? It seems to me that the answer is yes. I think that an awful lot of societies actually embrace brutality as an expression of justice and the proper order of things (Aztec, for example, or the Huns or somebody). If you go back to Gilgamesh, say, there certainly isn't much of an idea that creation and the creator(s) are good, quite the opposite, I think.