Clam what's with the rock penis? weird. looks like one of the state parks or national parks in Utah, Nevada or possibly Arizona.
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Oroborus21
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Noah's Ark - Close to being found? What effects would it have?
by Jourles inhttp://www.space.com/news/060309_ark_update.html
personally, it makes no difference to me if the ark is found or not.
if it truly exists, then it would be one of the largest finds of the millenium.
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Noah's Ark - Close to being found? What effects would it have?
by Jourles inhttp://www.space.com/news/060309_ark_update.html
personally, it makes no difference to me if the ark is found or not.
if it truly exists, then it would be one of the largest finds of the millenium.
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Oroborus21
If the Ark were ever found I think it would confirm evidence of a sizable but local flood in the region which is probably the generative episode behind the Noachian Flood legend - assuming of course that such a thing ever existed. I think that only bits of it would ever be found not large structures of it.
Not sure why people are objecting to elephants in particular and commenting about the difficulty of their traversing from such heights. How tall are the Alps? Didn't Hannabal bring several of them over those.
The problems are not with the possibilities of the story but with the story of the possibilities. Most Christians including Jehovah's Witnesses fail to understand that the Noachian Flood story is still relevant in its meaning for humankind regardless of whether it is pure mythology or more probably cultural legend based upon historic events of a powerful local event.
-Eduardo
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ScienoSitter - Could a Watchtower Version be in the Works?
by Oroborus21 in.
so i have been reading a little about the filtering software program, scienositter (sometimes called "sceniositter"), used by the cofs to attempt to restrict access to info on the internet by its members and it sorta raised my antennae a bit because i could easily envision a special thursday night meeting where a jw-version could be distributed to all jws who have a home computer (or made available from the literature counter) with "strong encouragement" to install the program.. sure the program is easily circumvented and maintaining an updated list might be somewhat difficult, though perhaps no more difficult than updating anti-virus software and could even be automated, but still i could see that many jws, especially jw parents who are not keeping up technologically with their kids, might install it thinking that it would be a good thing.. i could also see that it could be packaged with a new wt library cd-rom and installed as part of that process.. now these thoughts are a little more paranoid and conspiratorial re: the society than i generally lean, however, since i do see the internet as being the most potent threat to the status quo and the greatest catalyst for change within the organization, i would be willing to believe that the society might be capable of implementing a tactic such as this.. any thoughts?.
-eduardo leaton jr., esq..
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Oroborus21
bttt for the day people
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Bro. Schroeder dies
by bythesea ini just received this news from a bro who has connections in bethel.... .
bro albert d schroeder died at 10:30 am new york time today at brooklyn bethel...he was 94 yrs old.. he was born on april 7, 1911 in saginaw, michigan and entered bethel service in 1932. he was appointed a member of the governing body on december 18, 1974. bro schroeder's life story appeared in the march 1, '88 wt pages 10-17: entitled: "my life in jehovah's spirit-directed organization.".
i don't know if the "today" means it was actually today...as i can't be sure when my friend received this news... but anyway, another of the old guys bites the dust.. .
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Thanks for the news...Ed
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Private schools or what?
by DigitalFokus inok, so my son is 4 years old.
his mother and i are not together and have a so so relationship as parents.
this will soon be changing since i will soon be living in the same small town and not almost 2 hours away.
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Oroborus21
Greetings,
Well not having gone to a private religious-based school (K-12) I don't have any personal insight into the curriculum or situation, but it seems to me that the bottom line is that you should just check out what schools are an option for you, audit some of the classes if that is permissible and essentially investigate the quality of education that your child would be getting.
With the religious schools you might discuss your concerns with the director or principal or whoever. I suspect that your concerns are not uncommon as many non-religious parents send their children to private religious schools.
Having said the above, I would not object to having my child attend a religious private school and in fact have greenlighted my current daycare provider to my 3-yr old daughter who gives some instruction along the lines of her bible (Christian) views and has even taught my daughter to say Grace among other things.
The reason I would have no qualms about it are two-fold:
First, learning about religion is an education. Indeed it is an important facet of an well-rounded education as most of the people on the planet are religiously inclined and to ignore the entire subject area would be akin to ignoring subjects like History, Math, Science, etc.
Secondly, as with all things, you have your own job to do as a parent in instructing and educating your child - I don't have to tell you that I am sure. Thus whether your child hears questionable (or objectionable) info at school about Religion or whether it be about SEX or about Race or anything at all, it is YOUR JOB to provide correct viewpoint or your other information and to teach your child to think critically and to make judgements and arrive at conclusions themselves and ultimately to develop their own viewpoint.
Therefore, in light of this, it seems to me that your primary concern should be not on the religous aspects of the education but on the overall quality of the education. In that regard the private school may excel the public school offering or it may not.
As for social aspects or extracurricular aspects, I am afraid that I don't have the experience to know how these things might compare in the two settings.
best of luck,
Eduardo
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Please Give Constructive Criticism
by collegegirl21 inagainst my better judgment i have decided to write lack of love life.
i am so confused with someone right now.
here is my story and sorry if it is long.
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Oroborus21
howdy,
I don't think you need "criticism" of any sort. You are entitled to your feelings and own interpretation of events. it is nice to cut people some slack though and I usually urge people to give others the benefit of the doubt until you have some confirmation of facts or an explanation. So my only comment to you re: your handling of the situation would be to reserve some judgment until he has a chance to give you an explanation of why his plans changed.
As for myself the biggest thing in life that I hate is a broken promise. But that is just me. i would rather a person not promise something then to promise and break it. Of course things happen and not everything promised can be kept always but then the explanation for why the promise wasn't kept should be appropriate and if provided makes the situation fine.
However, before concluding I did want to tell you one thing. The problem that I see with this relationship has nothing to do with religion or his lying, or anything at all. The biggest problem is that of the long-distance relationship. You say that he is moving to California, so unless you are also relocating from WI you are going to have a problem cultivating any kind of meaningful relationship. Long-distance relationships are the rarest of all species of love-relationships and I don't need to tell you that successful ones are against all odds. Perhaps it would be better if you avoided surrendering much of your heart or developing too intimate a relationship until the problem of proximity might be resolved.
best wishes,
Eduardo
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ScienoSitter - Could a Watchtower Version be in the Works?
by Oroborus21 in.
so i have been reading a little about the filtering software program, scienositter (sometimes called "sceniositter"), used by the cofs to attempt to restrict access to info on the internet by its members and it sorta raised my antennae a bit because i could easily envision a special thursday night meeting where a jw-version could be distributed to all jws who have a home computer (or made available from the literature counter) with "strong encouragement" to install the program.. sure the program is easily circumvented and maintaining an updated list might be somewhat difficult, though perhaps no more difficult than updating anti-virus software and could even be automated, but still i could see that many jws, especially jw parents who are not keeping up technologically with their kids, might install it thinking that it would be a good thing.. i could also see that it could be packaged with a new wt library cd-rom and installed as part of that process.. now these thoughts are a little more paranoid and conspiratorial re: the society than i generally lean, however, since i do see the internet as being the most potent threat to the status quo and the greatest catalyst for change within the organization, i would be willing to believe that the society might be capable of implementing a tactic such as this.. any thoughts?.
-eduardo leaton jr., esq..
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Oroborus21
Greetings:
So I have been reading a little about the filtering software program, ScienoSitter (sometimes called "ScenioSitter"), used by the CofS to attempt to restrict access to info on the Internet by its members and it sorta raised my antennae a bit because I could easily envision a special Thursday night meeting where a JW-version could be distributed to all JWs who have a home computer (or made available from the literature counter) with "strong encouragement" to install the program.
Sure the program is easily circumvented and maintaining an updated list might be somewhat difficult, though perhaps no more difficult than updating anti-virus software and could even be automated, but still I could see that many JWs, especially JW parents who are not keeping up technologically with their kids, might install it thinking that it would be a good thing.
I could also see that it could be packaged with a new WT Library CD-ROM and installed as part of that process.
Now these thoughts are a little more paranoid and conspiratorial re: the Society than I generally lean, however, since I do see the Internet as being the most potent threat to the status quo and the greatest catalyst for change within the Organization, I would be willing to believe that the Society might be capable of implementing a tactic such as this.
Any thoughts?
-Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.
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Can someone explain Mosaic Law please??
by Super_Becka inok, so maybe i should've asked this a long time ago, but i'm a little slow sometimes.
my apologies for being uneducated in this particular area.
hey, i'm still learning, that's why i'm here.. i've seen a lot of references to mosaic law here on the board, but i'm a little unclear as to what it is, what it says, what it means, and who it applies to.
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Oroborus21
Hi Super B:
A lot of responses so far but I think I will try to boil it down.
The Mosaic Law is the name given to the body of law within the Jewish tradition. It is named for Moses who is attributed to be the author of the first five books of the Jewish (Traditional) Bible Canon.
Within the Jewish tradition, there is a common expression which orders the hierarchy of importance for Jews: "The Law, the Prophets and The Writings." These basic divisions break down what is called the Old Testament (OT) into their order of importance with the highest respect and authority given to the Mosaic Law. In addition to what is written, there arose over history an Oral body of laws and these together with the Mosaic Law essentially comprised the legal (religious) authority for the Jewish people.
JWs take what is written in the New Testament (Christian Greek Scriptures, Matthew to Revelation in the common canon) to mean that Jesus Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Law and replaced it with essentially new teachings, including a "law of love." Thus the Mosaic Law is looked to as illustrative of divine principles but not something which Christians are bound to obey or comply with.
Some of the major laws of the Mosaic law included keeping the Sabbath, circumcision and dietary laws and laws dealing with the treatment of blood. The controversy noted in the Book of Acts 15 and elsewhere concerned ironing out some of the difficulties within the early church between Jewish Christians who were keeping the Mosaic Law and other traditions and Gentile Christians.
Hope this helped.
-Eduardo
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What was the purpose having Eight Day assembly?
by VM44 inrunning man has posted his account of an eight day assembly from the 1960s.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/109297/1.ashx.
what i would like to know is, what was the purpose in having eight days for the assembly?.
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Oroborus21
Greetings!
For all the obvious reasons such "super-Assemblies" were few and rare. My own parents attended the Polo Grounds/Tent City NYC Yankee Stadium Intn't Convention and spoke about the long caravan to New York from NM. I have some photos and 8mm film of the assembly.
I remember fondly the Assembly at the Astrodome in Houston Texas where the My Book of Bible Stories was released, but I am not sure how many days that was. (maybe that was only a 4 day one).
Anyway, pre-1975, the JW culture was entirely different, and to paraphrase Whalen, Armageddon was considered just around the corner. So the material presented met an audience that was much more tolerant and perhaps even eager to hear it.
Since the 1980s, the Society has entered a carousel of regurgitation with nothing new in terms of theology being presented to the flock (except for disgarding of a few cherished doctrines and cultural aspects). The 3-day conventions are already bounding on the verge of unbearable repetition from Day One to Day Three today so I can't imagine how hard it would be to fill 8 days worth of material without being accused of falling into a cultic tactic of mindless rote and ritual.
Having said that, from a social perspective, I always wished the assemblies were longer when I was an active JW. This is because, unless I had a hot start (which only happened a few times for me) it usually took me all of Day One to spot and locate the girl or girls I wanted to meet. Day 2 and Most of Day 3 building up the courage to talk to them and by the Lunch of Day 3 if I was lucky, I finally got a name. If I had had 8 days to work with oh boy that would have been great.
-Eduardo
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New Lawsuit: Roe v. Wade for Men
by Elsewhere inhttp://www.cnn.com/2006/law/03/08/fatherhood.suit.ap/index.html.
men want 'say' in unplanned pregnancyactivists seek right to decline financial responsibility for kids.
new york (ap) -- contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.. the national center for men has prepared a lawsuit -- nicknamed roe v. wade for men -- to be filed thursday in u.s. district court in michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.. the suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the u.s. constitution's equal protection clause.. the gist of the argument: if a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood.
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I would be all for such a suit. The balance of power in this equation is far too slanted in the favour of one party (women).
It is a strange paradox that a man who helped create the life has no say in the decision of whether to extend it or to end it, but should the woman choose either option against his own wishes, he is bound morally, legally and financially to suffer the consequences of her unilateral choice.
If there was a law that reduced a man's legal and financial obligations if she desired to bear the child when he desired abortion, or conversely, to be solely responsible for the child if she did not want it but carried it to term on his behalf, it certainly would seem to add more parity to the situation.
However, for a whole host of reasons that isn't the way our social system or legal system is structured. Life isn't fair and in this area of procreation and birth-rights, women have all the power. We men just have to deal with it and frankly we have our own advantages in others areas so it all seems to even out in the end.
-Eduardo