hang in there Dude! Looks like you are on the path to healing...
-E
ps: do you mean "In Memoriam"?
Oroborus21
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In Memorandum
by RichieRich init was the 14th of april last year that i had to sit my mother down and tell her i was an apostate.. i was closer to her than anyone else.
my father and mother are still married, but he let her raise me as a witness, and that meant it was me and mom.. me and mom in field service for 100 hours in july because she had to make her time as a regular pioneer.. me and mom fighting over what to bring for lunch to the district convention.. me and mom up late at night, when she would berate me, and then unload all her problems on to me.. me and mom and our 4 hour family studies, where we discuss 2 paragraphs of a random book, and then she would browbeat me until early in the morning.. somehow, through all that, i pretended to be a witness for years, just to appease her.
looking back, i don't know if i loved her, or if i was just afraid of her.
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Since Brothers should never sue...
by AuldSoul inwhat would happen if a congregation or two decided not to pay back their kingdom hall loans?
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Oroborus21
If a congregation refused to repay KH loans, I think the Society would consider it a Bonham-TX-style rebellion and DF some or all of the elder body (and whoever else) and then the replacements (probably from outside) would straighten it out.
It would be more interesting though if it wasn't the elder body that refused to pay the loans but the congregation, ala, the "vote" that occurs with such matters. Just once it would be great to see the congregation not go along with a "motion" put forward by the elders.
The one and only time I ever saw any significant dissent was a vote over spending money for a computer for the congregation's use. The congregation was split half & half, with those who knew they would never use the thing voting "no." The motion passed but what was funny is that the computer never appeared. A year or two afterwards I asked an Elder about where the computer was or what happened to that matter and he had forgotten about it but also wondered "What did ever become of that?"
-eduardo
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The Sorrow and the Pity of the Watchtower: denial of DUE PROCESS
by Terry innounthe state, action, or principle of treating all persons equally in accordance with the law.
fairness is something familiar to even the smallest child.
being treated without bias is a hunger humanity has fought for in every society; some less successfully than in present day.. in america we are guaranteed fairness when dealing with the state or federal government due to the imbalance of relative power between the individual and the state.
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Oroborus21
Terry,
your underlying points and criticisms are valid but your comparison to the "right of due process" is inherently flawed. Much like the right of free speech, the rights regarding due process are applicable to the State's (that is the Government's) treatment of private individuals.
Private individuals, which the WTBTS (and all other similar corporations) is deemed to be, may deny such rights and freedoms. That is the perogative of a private individual.
-Eduardo
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What do you think about the new "Knocking" video?
by cyberguy inwhat do you think about the new "knocking" video?
it is supposed to be shown on pbs in may.. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=knockingdocumentary.
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I think it is ok, rather average. None of the stories are particularly compelling.
My first impression was that the film would only really be appealing to JW folk. My comments to the forum regarding the film were posted here:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/124447/1.ashx
But then I showed it to this Indian friend of mine who had no background or knowlege regarding JWs and she said she actually found it interesting so I thought that was surprising.
Her reaction led me to think that maybe it was precisely because I had a background being a JW and because I am aware of all of the deeper and more controversial issues and problems facing the Organization, that led me to be alternately bored or turned off by the tone and focus of the film and what I perceived to be its lack of substance.
So what I thought at first to be a disappointing and meaningless exercise on the part of the filmmakers might actually be a case where they succeeded in their goals, if their goal was to create a film that shed light upon JWs for non-JWs and those without any real knowledge of JWs.
In retrospect this does seem to be their goal, so I suppose it is a success in that way.
-Eduardo
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looking for Farkel
by desertflower indoes anyone know where farkel is?
would like his e-mail address please.. desertflower.
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Oroborus21
I have Doug's number around somewhere. pm me with who you are and why you want to contact him. or more likely he will see this and pm you when he stops by...
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That's it, we've had ENOUGH and we are MOVING!
by Schism ini know this question has been asked before, but i can't find the old post about this.
i am looking for another area of the us to move to.
edit: please be aware, i am ranting right now, but nothing here is exaggerated.
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Oroborus21
Three words:
Land of Enchantment
Santa Fe would probably suit your fancy..
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Oroborus21
Sex is so pleasurable that only a supreme being could have done that.
Amen.
But then man created religion thus leading to a dozen ways to frack up the above observation.
-Eduardo
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Knorr Was He Married? Any Info?
by uwishufish ini was under the impression that he was married to a fairly attractive woman who was his younger by about 20+ years.
i heard this from an ex-bethelite.
just wondered if it was true?
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He was married to a secretary at Bethel (i think). His getting married was a big factor in the old policy at Bethel being changed. Previously, with a few notable exceptions, if a person got married they had to leave Bethel service.
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JWD outage -- what if it were longer or worse, permanent?
by Fatfreek injwd to me, and for some like me, is my morning coffee.
if its not up, like earlier today, it gets me to thinking, what if this were a permanent thing?
what if jwd were actually shut down like our friend quotes site in 2006?
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Fats,
its essentially happened before...
first there were friends with the ol dial in electronic bulletin boards..and usenet groups....those folks moved on to forums....then came Rick's H20 (essentially the "IT" board on the Net for JW-focused discussion) from circa 1992-1998?). That site changed servers and went down for a period of time. (It was reborn but it has never been the same.) A flock of the old H20 forum participants came to JWD.
Today, there are at least a dozen JW related boards if not more. If JWD did go down permanently (probably because Simon decided to finally pull the plug and relax) we would all just migrate to another one now existing or a new forum would be created. The need for a JW related board will continue for the forseeable future or Armageddon, which ever comes first. and only some other mode of communication or technology would supplant such a need.
-eduardo
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JW Children Lie in Custody Cases
by compound complex indirect and cross-examination questions in child custody cases.
wtb&ts, page 42.
"be careful that they [jw children being questioned] don't get the impression that they are in a demonstration at the circuit assembly, when they would show that the first things in life are service and going to the kingdom hall.
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Pilgrim,
welcome to the forum. try using the buttons right next to where it says paragraph, font, size to format your text.
anyway, it is very nice to have someone like you as a new forum participant. I welcome reading your posts in the future.
I will summarize my view on this matter again, since I think in all of the back and forth it has gotten lost.
I have never disagreed that the Custody "brochure" presents a distorted picture of JW culture, and especially life for JW children. We all know that the emphasis is on the faith and that all else non-JW is secondary and often portrayed as a distraction at best and as "dangerous" or detrimental to one's faith at worst.
My only contention is whether the custody brochure fosters deceiving the courts by instructing (via others) JW children to "make up" hobbies, interests, activities, unrelated to JWdom (it doesn't) or by having them present their life in a distorted fashion. This latter part is where I have disagreed with everyone else it seems. My disagreement stems from what is not in the custody brochure, that is the reality that the JW faith is most important and prominent and excessively all encompassing will come forward in a child custody case. Others, seem to be arguing, that because that reality is not laid out in the CCB it means that it is deceptive. (I find it illogical to draw such a conclusion. That is to say that it is not logical to assert that something IS when that assertion is based on the mere absence of that thing in a place where one would expect it.)
Uzzah, is correct that the CCB is intended to temper the view that JWs are one-sided (that is only focused on their faith or theocratic things), that is not disputed by anyone that I know of. Nor have I argued to the contrary. Again, in sum, I don't feel that it is a deception to suborn testiony that is cumulative and non-contradictory.
What seems to be overlooked by everyone here is that the child is NOT being asked to give testimony about JW theology or teachings or even culture. They are being asked about their OWN experience. If they dislike the meetings they should say so. If they have other interests they will talk about them. If they don't then they don't. They aren't being asked to fabricate things.
As for your post, true, most JW children would probably try to present their religion and their upbringing, and their parents in a good light. That is neither surprising nor unique to JW children is it?
What is really interesting here is that the REASON that this is so controversial is ONLY because JWs are so committed to "truth" and "honesty" and because their culture emphasizes that these things are vitally important. It is because JWs are supposed to be such honest persons, that anything that is suggestive that they be anything but completely open and honest seems to be startling to our senses.
I think that actually speaks volumes about their character..and it is a good testimony that even opposers find it irksome that JWs might possibliy be dishonest Think about that for a moment.
anyway, I am far from being a JW apologist. Simply because I disagree, or argue in the minority, or state something that seems supportive of them, doesn't make me pro-JW.
-Eduardo
PS: you keep on quoting scriptures if you want to. you will find that the old aphorism that you can't please everyone is very true on the Net as it is in life. Persons like Skally (SF) and some others that you will figure out soon if you spend time on JWD are just as trapped by their own fundamentalism as some of the hard-core JWs they complain about. (I see she has even lumped you and I together after just a few posts of yours and not even knowing anything about you. how nice, and typical.) Anyway, you keep on posting. I think you will be a valuable contributor here. Shalom! as you say.