i know i'm not jwd's most popular participant but even i look at this place as a means of support sometimes.
i just wanted to say that this morning my father died of a heart attack while in field service.. i am on my way to new mexico with my daughter.
as some of you know i am df'd so you know how that goes when attending a jw funeral.
I know I'm not JWD's most popular participant but even I look at this place as a means of support sometimes. I just wanted to say that this morning my father died of a heart attack while in field service.
I am on my way to New Mexico with my daughter. As some of you know I am DF'd so you know how that goes when attending a JW funeral. My family will be ok and not shun me but perhaps some other JWs will.
ok, take care, Eduardo
starting a new thread so that everyone can find the link.. this is the video of the elders trying to act smart stupid.
http://www.savefile.com/files2.php?fid=5509435.
they will keep the file as long as it is downloaded once every 14 days.. enjoy
In all fairness, the situation was probably pretty stressful for the Elder also. Plus having a camera in your face can make anyone fumble around for their lines...
-Eduardo
starting a new thread so that everyone can find the link.. this is the video of the elders trying to act smart stupid.
http://www.savefile.com/files2.php?fid=5509435.
they will keep the file as long as it is downloaded once every 14 days.. enjoy
This video kind of gave me the creeps. It was the way that the Elder's talk. Is it just me or do almost all Elders in situations like these have that "mild-sad tone" in their speech? Plus their accents (Wisconsin?) were a little similar to what the bros sound like back home in New Mexico.
I couldn't help but feel bad for Schnell-belly (or is it Schnively?) because despite the bravery, there was a trace of sadness for himself and pity for them that comes across unmistakably. I attribute the snideness/rudeness/sarcasm to masking the deep inner pain that he felt at the moment. Even when you know that you are in the right, and know that eventually your life will be much better, deep down it hurts to get DF'd.
Glad to see you are doing better now!
I think video could be a very useful tool. Can someone piece together a humourous montage of Witnesses "in service" and give it a banjo soundtrack?
By the way who was the Randy Schnively that they asked about? Was he part of this too or what?
-Eduardo
for those who have friends there or who just left there, what is being said about this?
yeah, that is why it is good to come up with good ideas to document it (if it is truly happening that is) now with as much hard proof as possible. the rank and file JWs will miss it entirely and second-hand reports will be totally discounted by most.
Even first hand testimonies would be useful, but what would really be good is either secret memoranda that could be obtained or other documents which indicate that there is a downsizing plan. Also to monitor the property records if property is sold or spun off would be useful.
again, open to ideas as to what could be used to substantiate the claims being made.
-Eduardo
due to a power outage, only one paramedic.
> responded to the call.
> very dark, so the paramedic asked kathleen,.
no and neither should fathers!
Though seeing my daughter born was pretty amazing.
-Eduardo
what kind of bad stuff did you do in school?
here's a small list of what i did:.
- white out things in textbooks and put something dirty in its place.
A group of us got swats (with a paddle) in 7th grade for having a spit-wad fight during a film in class. I also got swats in 3rd grade but for the life of me I can't remember why?
-Eduardo
for those who have friends there or who just left there, what is being said about this?
Cellist,
I don't think it would prove anything by itself but only suggest or add to the evidence.
It doesn't make sense that if they were downsizing operations to ask for more young persons or even skilled persons to seek Bethel service. Such a talk or Service Meeting part has been a standard feature once every year or two since I have been associated. So let's wait and see if such a part appears over the next few years.
But again, that would only be suggestive (aka circumstantial evidence).
If anyone has any ideas about what sort of hard evidence would suffice OTHER THAN second-hand reports, let's hear them.
The question asked in the topic title was what are BETHELITES saying and the answer is NOTHING, unless you give credence to second-hand reports of what they are saying.
I haven't seen a Bethelite post here yet who was among these recent downsizes. And relying solely upon second accounts seems problematic to me. It is evidence but it isn't usually the best evidence.
I don't think I am asking for too much :-)
-Eduardo
for those who have friends there or who just left there, what is being said about this?
I just wanted to add as I had been thinking about this before.
If the long-term plan was to reduce staffing it seems logical that the Society would no longer push for Bethelites or for new ones to come.
No business lays off already trained workers to hire new ones they have to train (unless there are costs savings like lower pay or benefits which is not the case in this instance).
Thus I think that a literature review and monitoring the Service Meeting parts over the next year or so will indicate whether this is so.
If the Society does have its usual part - as has been the pattern from time to time - of "Bethel Service is Great" etc. In other words, the usual compaign to drum up new Bethelites, to my mind that would run counter to the goal of reducing staff.
So let's see. The absence of any such part or campaign would support the rumor and the appearance of such would seem to discredit the idea that they were downsizing.
-Eduardo
PS: it is not an issue of playing Devil's Advocate. Only one of trying to uncover facts in an Internet world that is permeated with false rumours and half-truth reports.
for those who have friends there or who just left there, what is being said about this?
Sorry Daniel, I had heard more, my mistake. the actual percentage isn't that important but even a 25% reduction is significant and I think would be noticeable and generate more direct reports.
I would prefer to see some actual evidence as opposed to "friend of a friend" or "my cousin Joey" reports. That's not too much to ask is it? why not ask your friends and family to post here with their own first-hand accounts? that would be a start.
It would also be nice to see actual changes in the real-estate as part of the rumour is a "shift of operations from Brooklyn to Patterson or Wallkill and other forms of hard evidence of the downsizing."
-Eduardo
for those who have friends there or who just left there, what is being said about this?
Thus far the whole Layoffs/Downsizing has just been a RUMOUR. There hasn't been any hard evidence or obvious reductions in staff that indicate that the rumour is true. Some insiders are claiming that is true but until it happens - and it would be obvious - and yes, when it did happen we would begin to have direct reports from bethelites, former bethelites and persons in congregations with returning bethelites hitting this board and others (which whe haven't had) thus to answer your question of your post the answer is NOTHING - since there are no massive layoffs as of yet.
-Eduardo
PS: We are talking about massive downsizing not just the usual amount of rejects and drop-outs. There is the occassional person asked to leave or who leaves voluntarilly as is normal. There is always some turnover there. But what has been rumoured is reduction of staff in the magnitudes of 50% or more.
