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Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect.

by gaiagirl in

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jw's frequently say that the first human couple were "perfect" and would have lived forever until they gave up perfection by their disobedience.. however, closer reading of the genesis account shows that they were never perfect, instead, they were designed to grow old and die, just like the rest of the animals.

jehovah has adam name all the animals, but finds that none of the animals is suitable as a companion (wonder how this was determined)?.

jehovah clones a companion for adam, and tells them to not eat the fruit of a certain tree, or they will die "in that very day".

Bella15

@ Rocky_Girl - I like your coment. I too have learned not to try to analyze God from a human perspective. When I don't understand something I remember that God is not human, God is something my human mind doesn't understand I can perceive his Greatness and Glory through the things created and his love, then I walk by FAITH and worship in SPIRIT.

As far as the trinity commments ... Watchtower Corp made me believe that Trinity is like they say a monster A God with 3 heads or 3 separate persons- but now that I read other current Christian literature, and from the early church fathers, I see that the Christian Trinity is God MANIFESTED in The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Remember that the Watchtower published and edited its own version of the bible to prove their doctrines, but if you read their first Interlinear bible and compare you will find the real truth. Watchtower Corp. ARE the LIARS. FALSE PROPHETS, once that registers in your mind your way is clear to get the pure and incorruptible knowlege from the bible not any other book, the bible alone is enough when you're being taught by the Holy Spirit.

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Adam and Eve were NEVER perfect.

by gaiagirl in

jw
friends

jw's frequently say that the first human couple were "perfect" and would have lived forever until they gave up perfection by their disobedience.. however, closer reading of the genesis account shows that they were never perfect, instead, they were designed to grow old and die, just like the rest of the animals.

jehovah has adam name all the animals, but finds that none of the animals is suitable as a companion (wonder how this was determined)?.

jehovah clones a companion for adam, and tells them to not eat the fruit of a certain tree, or they will die "in that very day".

Bella15

I read the book of Adam and Eve - a book which taken out of the bible - it is just interesting to read ...

By the way now that no one dictate us what we can or can't read as relates to religions or bible issues, I'd recommend for anyone interested to read all the books that were excluded from the bible as we have it today. The Book of Enoch, the book of adam and eve, the book of the jubileees, the book of bees, dozens of others ... Just google them

Another explanation I heard for Adam and Eve and the tree of life is that they would have live forever in imperfection. That's why God prevented them from eating from the tree of Life. Imagine someone living in disease and pain maybe forever without the ability to die. Suicide wouldn't work, Kevorkian would't be able to help either :), there would be no Death at all.

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After leaving Jw's did you go into another religion or serv. god ur own way?

by average joe in

i am just curious if you guys left jw's and now worship in some other relgion or worship in your own way?

have you sworn off organized religion ?

if you have not sworn off organized religion then i wonder what relgion seems to be the right one for you guys?

Bella15

I disassociated myself for sure after visiting the WT headquarters in NYC - I saw that their only focus is to sell magazines and books. After leaving I couldn't even heard the term "religion" and really didn't believe in God for a while but due to certain events that made realize that the Watchtower Corporation is in reality a publishing corporation making money out of the faith of the people, I started to think about "God" ... to make the story short I went to buy a bible at Half Price Books and started reading, it was like I was reading the bible for the first time I started praying and my mind and heart changed ... I suffered a lot during this period thou, I spent a couple of months crying over the WT deception I've discovered, crying for all the "wasted" time, all the suffering growing up in my disfunctional JW family. I remember buying a bible with Jesus' words in RED because I wanted to read only what Jesus's said. I was not interested in the apostles' comments. Then I read the books of Genesis and Revelation (beginning and end of the bible). I cannot explain it was like something was teaching me all this things about Jesus, I experienced love, joy, real happiness like I never knew before ... I was set free from the WT bondage.

I remember very well as a child really liking God but hating the god the WT preached. The god that was going to kill even the orphan children leaving in the streets (yeah my mom told me so when I was a child) I was rebelious, I actually got baptized when I was 26, way late for someone raised in that religion. So perhaps in my case I really wanted to have a relationship with God and found my way to Him after leaving the WT, others may not have that spiritual need. But if anybody wonders about what is the truth in all of this ... the truth is not an organization the Truth is a person - JESUS. And to be totally honest for the benefit of those searching for what the TRUTH is ... I still have my reservations as far as what the apostles may say about certain things - they were imperfect humans too ... but what convinced me about the bible is its accurate prophecy (and not as revealed by the WT) --- no other book can claim the same. My advice to anyone out there looking for something, read the bible and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you, to reveal things to you

I am not a member of any Christian church but I am not afraid to visit any of them. I learn so much about real Christianity not Sects like JWs. Whenever I can I go to Lakewood Church here in Houston (actually Lakewood has many services and group bible studies not only what you see on TV), sometimes I go to Second Baptist for different bible based seminars for couples, children, moms .. and recently my kids asked me to find a church close to home where they can have fellowship with other young christians and sure enough we enjoy attending The River UMC - we meet in an elementary school on Sundays. Sometimes I cannot help but start crying when I see all the things I learn in these churches, real stuff for real people living real lives in Jesus and helping others in the community and abroad. I have come to love the Body of Christ, all Christians spreaded all over the world. It has taken me 40 years to finally feel like a person that matters, with a voice, with a choice, loved by the Father and Jesus. I call those 40 years, my years in the wilderness ... now I have found my Promised Land. Reminds me of another person who spent 50 years in the WT, not he calls this time his Jubilee ... awesome! Call me crazy ... but I made Jesus my Lord and Savior (not the Watchtower Corporation).

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Current Teaching on Competition?

by skeeter1 in

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friends

i have an adult jw relative that is a baptised publisher.

been "in the truth" for some time, and is still going to meetings, out in service, etc.

this jw relative entered into a competitive horse show and won several ribbons.

Bella15

One of the things that made me go hmmm ... was to see some CLIO awards trophy in one of the offices inside the Watchtower Corporation in NYC when I went to visit along with my mother. CLIOs are like the Grammys of the Advertising world. You have to compete with other companies to get one of those. Shunning any kind of competition is just another way to keep the sheep under their control.

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The effect we are having on the Watchtower is HUGE

by jwfacts in

i was inspired by a recent thread i know i aint gunna crumble the wt, but a girl can dream to look at the effect we as individuals are having on the watchtower society.. 3dogs1husband quoted a story to show that even helping only one person is worth it.. it is encouraging to note that the one person you may have helped has lead to millions being helped, due to the power of compounding growth.. compounding growth is well illustrated by the rice on a chessboard problem.

if you start with 1 grain of rice on square one, and double it to 2 on the second, 4 on the third, 8 on the fourth, by the last (64th) square there would be 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 grains of rice.. likewise, if you help one person out of the grip of the watchtower this year, then next year you help one more and they help one, in a few years that is going to have a formidable result on the number of jehovahs witnesses.

look at the following statistics.

Bella15

Hello Everybody:

I have a neighbor who studied with the JWs for 4 months, she looked them up in the Internet and immediately terminated her home study with them after finding out about the facts about the Watchtower Corporation through the net. I hope more people will be googling the Watchtower and finding out the real facts about them!

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Would You Refer To Jehovah's Witnesses As A "Christian" Religion?

by minimus in

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friends

they regard themselves as "true christians".. do you view them as christians?.

Bella15

I think JWs don't want to be associated with "Christians" they want to be separated and have their special name: Jehovah's Witnesses, not "Christians" in the real sense of the word as apply to followers of the Christ Jesus all over the world.

I went to a women's bible study once, I met a lady there from another country who asked me how long I've been a Christian --- I couldn't answer as all of my life I have referred to myself as a Jehovah's Witness NOT a "Christian" - I felt sad, but not anymore. If you ask me now I'd say: I've been a Christian for 2 years and counting ...

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Tonight I disassociated myself - after 24 years - had 2 hour meeting with Elder

by Intel in

i am now sitting at home.

my wife left with my little child.

my fault (i dislike the word "fault", but don't have a better one right now).. it feels strange, relieved and free, at the same time it was all very strange.

Bella15

I knew I was going to get comments like that ... LOL ... not a problem ... everybody's needs are met differently ...but when I was helping a relative of mine who was sexually abused by a femaly pioneer and molested by 2 circuit overseers ... his sermons opened my eyes to something else, hard to describe, from then I started to look in to the Watchtower Corporation as the publishing company that it is ...but I understand everybody here, trust me I used to get so mad even at the mention of God. The therapy that my relative received also helped me to undo that cult's brainwashing on me. So I second the advise given by someone to go to therapy - that's what I recommend to everybody awakening from the WT trip. Sorry I don't want to make this about me, I am new here. I totally understand and respect your opinions and to the gentlemen that resigned from that corporation - it is going to be hard, we're talking Post Traumatic Stress Dissorder here, so if things get ugly emotionally go talk to the doctor, explain that you are exiting the WT and they will totally know what to do.

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Tonight I disassociated myself - after 24 years - had 2 hour meeting with Elder

by Intel in

i am now sitting at home.

my wife left with my little child.

my fault (i dislike the word "fault", but don't have a better one right now).. it feels strange, relieved and free, at the same time it was all very strange.

Bella15

Many that leave the WT teachings become Atheist - it happened to me too, I think it was my way to cope with the WT teaching that God is only for JWs ... I didn't know another god but the Watchtower's god; but thanks to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the True God of the Bible, I received by mistake some Joel Osteen's CDs. Looking backwards I was like a cat just peeking through the corner - in my case, listening to Joel Osteen talking about this God from the bible - so AWESOME, so LOVING, so full of plans not to harm me but to give me a future ... after finding out first hand about the sexual abuse coverage going on in that religion, I went to buy a bible, started reading and there I found GOD ALMIGHTY loving me, there I found JESUS, giving his life for me, his blood covering my sins, his unconditional love for me, after 35 years it was like reading the bible for the first time. Finally, after years of feeling so miserable due to my upbringing in that religion, I am truly happy. I found the way, I found JESUS!

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Br. Loesch - great tribulation, king of the north, generation overlap, new scrolls and more...

by Bonnie_Clyde in

just got this email...... .

subject: zone report germany date: 5/17/11 2:02:57 am.

we thought we would share one of our interesting experiences with you.

Bella15

So, if I understand right, the Watchtower Corporation will be erased during the 1st Phase - when Christendom riches are plunderered!!! Oh yeah, their wealth rivals the Vatican now.

Most of my family are JWs and this is exactly my fear for them ... the Watchtower's erroneous understanding of prophecy starting with denying "literal Israel" - they have spiritualize Israel and claim they (WT) are spiritual Israel. YHWH the Holy One of Israel, is not done with literal Israel yet --- you only have to read the bible to understand this. God will not be happy with anyone who had cursed "Israel" the WT even sided with the Nazi's whe jews were being slaughtered. Lots to think about it ... I don't like the fact that this organization is making people guilty, by association, of the blood of people dying due to their erroneous doctrines on blood, child abuse, endless rules, false prophecies, etc. I have and read the 1954 Walsh trial ... and it is amazing ... I was saddened to realize that behind the JWs hides a publishing company making big money, even the death certificate of Rutherford lists his occupation as Editor and Publisher or something like that ... WHAT? not even the slightlest reference to being any religious preacher or christian minister - nada.

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The parable of the sheep and the goats!

by TimothyT in

i was reading again the parapble jesus spoke to his disciples about the sheep and goats.

when i read it, it was plain and simple in my eyes.. 34 then the king will say to those on his right, come, you who have been blessed by my father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

35 for i became hungry and you gave me something to eat; i got thirsty and you gave me something to drink.

Bella15

I loved this discussion. I will share with my family. Thanks.