Posts by Bella15

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Elder father sent me an email about Feb 2012 WT - my resposne

by TheStumbler in

i'm not sure if any of you will remember but i posted on here six months ago about a correspondence i was having with my dad, an elder, about who would die in armageddon.

i was asking some tough questions about children being killed in armageddon and i could tell he uncomfortable with the answers he was giving.. i drafted an email in resposne to his email but in the end i decided not to send it in the interest of maintaining friendly relations.. .

last week, out of the blue, my dad sent an email link to the february 2012 watchtower article about armageddon and said it would answer some of my questions.. here is my response which is a critique of the feb 2012 wt article and some of the broader ethics concerning 'armageddon'.

Bella15

@TheStumbler ... Epic reply!

The mess the Watchtower is in due to going beyond what it is written in the bible AND not having the Spirit of understanding prophecy is COMICAL to this point ... it is not worth a second of our time anymore ...

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March 1st WT

by undercover in

there's an article in the new public edition entitled, "should you trust your first impressions?".

in the article there's the sub-headings, "judging by appearance" and "appearances can be deceptive".

the main import of the article is to impress upon the non-jw to not pre-judge jws based on pre-convieved notions.

Bella15

"Are All 'Christians' Christian?".

NOPE ... WTC doctrine rejects Jesus

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

Acts 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."

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If You Wanted To Corrupt A Jehovah's Witness How Would You Go About It?

by minimus in

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i'd like some ideas..

Bella15

This is SO funny ... I have actually gone out with a couple of JWs girls to show them a good time around town on girls night out and they were more like GIRLS GONE WILD ...

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Evil Spirits

by LizLA in

does anyone on this forum have knowledge about casting out demons or evil spirits?

there's at least two of them that have been harrasing me even before i was a jw.

i recently attended a deliverance church to find some help but it was apparent that the holy spirit was missing from that church.

Bella15

I got it LOL!

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Am only now discovering/reading the Apocrypha

by Muddy Waters in

i was never a born-in jw, got baptized when i was 20 after being raised and belonging to a denomination of a protestant church.

so i never even knew that there was a "catholic" bible or extra bible books (the authenticity of their belonging in the canon or not is a debatable issue, and one i certainly have no answers about it!).

i knew through my study with jws that there were some "extra" books written, but since i believed everything the wt said hook, line, and sinker, i just went along with their explanation that they were not part of the bible canon.

Bella15

Loved Sirach too ... how about the book of Judith? Have you read it?

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Evil Spirits

by LizLA in

does anyone on this forum have knowledge about casting out demons or evil spirits?

there's at least two of them that have been harrasing me even before i was a jw.

i recently attended a deliverance church to find some help but it was apparent that the holy spirit was missing from that church.

Bella15

Liz, I am responding to your original post on page 1 ... I do believe in evil spirts and the spiritual realm as the bible and Jesus talk about it ... I also know of intrusive thoughts ... a very busy running on RED BULL mind ... something that helped me spiritually to quite my mind down are the books of Joyce Meyer, battlefield of the mind, and living beyond your feelings ...

There are also books with great non-biblical advice out there ...

Wishing you the very best ...

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WT Mar 15th 2012 - 144,000 no longer a literal number?

by dozy in

reading idly through this magazine , i read the study article "rejoicing in our hope" which discusses the two "hopes" according to the wtbts ie heaven & earth.. a couple of points were of interest:.

(1) absolutely no mention at all of the 144,000 or rev 14. usually an article like this would be filled with references , but it isn't even mentioned.

it does discuss the "limited number" , but only in contrast with the "no man can number" great crowd.. (2) a much more laid back attitude towards the two hopes.

Bella15

Little by little they will releae the "NEW LIGHT" and all the brainwashed JWs will cheer and applaude HALELUJAH!!!!

Whenever my mom tells me of "new light" I ask how come it is "new light" when all other Christians denominations have been preaching that "new light" for hundreds of years ...

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I've been crunching the numbers, and the concept of Santa Claus doesn't add up

by keyser soze in

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maybe i'm overly skeptical after years of having been lied to by the wt....but from a purely logistical standpoint, the idea that he could cover the amount of territory necessary in the amount of time allotted, just doesn't seem feasible.. now, granted, there are certain variables in the equation that are highly speculative, such as the speed he would be travelling at.

it's quite possible that reindeer travel faster through the air than by land, maybe quite faster.

but even if we assume he is travelling the speed of a lear jet, and you factor in all the differen't time zones, i still don't see how he has enough time to complete his task.. am i missing something, or is the story totally bogus?.

Bella15

He stops time ... duh !!!!

LOL!!!

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I cannot believe my father called me to ask this!

by serenitynow! in

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so my father, a jw bum who abandoned us when we were children to be with his pioneer whore, called me tonight and left a message.

this is surprising because i have not seen or spoken to him for a couple of years, other than to leave a message a couple of weeks ago to tell him that i had to hospitalize my sister for being suicidal.. i found out about a week ago that one of his very good friends, a brother whose family used to go to the hall with us and used to be close to when we were children is dying in the hospital after having a couple of strokes and a heart attack.

they've been talking about taking him off of the ventilator for a few days.

Bella15

Sorry you have to go through this at this time of the year, or at any time of the year!

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The Real Purpose of Shunning Holidays

by metatron in

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the watchtower endlessly prates on about pagan traditions in popular holidays - while the bible itself is loaded with subtle pagan religious ideas - such as wicked spirits being cast "into tartarus" (a pagan greek place in which the rebels against zeus got imprisoned) or "sacred secret" - a term the apostle paul likes that was adopted from pagan 'mystery' religions.. then we can throw in the reference to being divinely 'called christians' in acts - which uses a pagan term that refers to demonic oracles of the day.. of course, the watchtower has no objection to accumulating millions of pieces of paper that feature occult symbols (any dollar bill!).

in recent years, for good measure, they have added birthdays and thanksgiving to the official banned list, despite the sketchiest justification for doing so.

if birthdays are wrong simply because they figure in two negative accounts, then it makes much more sense to ban dogs as pets because of all the negativity in the bible about them!.

Bella15

The spirit of anti-Christ operates in that organization ... and I agree with this too:

What is the real reason for all this zeal against celebrating holidays? It is this: to break up extended family relationships and maintain those broken family ties, as a means of continuing the 'cult' securely.