@Tec: i wasn't implying anyway that Adam did not know of the tree the fruit came from. I only meant that Eve took of it and gave to Adam after she had eaten first. Of course adam knew what he was about to eat.
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by N.drew inthe ark pictures the response to one kind.. it means the customs of the people can cause catastrophe.. and most people did not stop the destructive behavior , but some used it to be redeemed.. .
sodom pictures the other kind.. it means the people respond badly to the intuitive recognition that doom is ahead.. .
in one case what the people are doing causes something bad.
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by N.drew inthe ark pictures the response to one kind.. it means the customs of the people can cause catastrophe.. and most people did not stop the destructive behavior , but some used it to be redeemed.. .
sodom pictures the other kind.. it means the people respond badly to the intuitive recognition that doom is ahead.. .
in one case what the people are doing causes something bad.
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@N. Drew:
That is a reflection of watchtower, is it not?
Nope it is not. Its a reflection of the bible.
Eve wasn't really made from the literal rib of Adam. Ribs move with every breath. That is what it means.
Then adam was not also made literally from the dust of the earth. Its literal as it is written to be, just like the universe and all animals were meant to have been created literally.
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by N.drew inthe ark pictures the response to one kind.. it means the customs of the people can cause catastrophe.. and most people did not stop the destructive behavior , but some used it to be redeemed.. .
sodom pictures the other kind.. it means the people respond badly to the intuitive recognition that doom is ahead.. .
in one case what the people are doing causes something bad.
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@Sab:If we are going to go by bible chronology then Eve is definitly a single person. I dont know but do evolutionalists consider death in relation to evolution, lets say how long does it take for natural selction to kick in taking into factor the death of organisms (which animal lives longest).
Sorry if this is off topic but i have to say this. In the story of Noah we learn that angels mingled themselves with the men(sexual relatiob) and brought about offsprings which were reasonably different considered to be giants. Now those giants were not ur typical special cases of tall men. They were of extreme hieght and size. Now this caused God to flood the entire earth, even with the animals. The missing link here is why would God destroy innocent animals. Has it ever occured to any one that the angels did not only corrupt the seed of men but of animals too? If angels could mate with humans and produce giant offsprings why not animals? couldnt it mean most of the fossils we consider to be millions of years old be pratically of those seed of angels and animals. Surely it can happen with giant animals too if it did with humans.
Now one thing we realise too is God didnt give Noah the mandate to gather animals into the ark. God personally brought the animals to Noah, making sure none of the corrupted breed of animals entered the ark.
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by N.drew inthe ark pictures the response to one kind.. it means the customs of the people can cause catastrophe.. and most people did not stop the destructive behavior , but some used it to be redeemed.. .
sodom pictures the other kind.. it means the people respond badly to the intuitive recognition that doom is ahead.. .
in one case what the people are doing causes something bad.
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@j_wood : It is Jewish myth, pure and simple - a primative attempt to explain mortality.
Its actually not a myth, its as literal as all the other tree He gave them permission to eat of, and i agree that the "tree of life" was meant to give eternal life, it was also to sustain the mortal flesh from corupting or perishing.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Here we see that after adam & eve had attained the knowledge of good and evil, they would not have begun to die had they got access to the "tree of life"
@Tec: Yeah I was taught that in Sunday school too. But there's no basis for it.
Actually there is
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
She might not have eaten the fruit straight away when she took it. I suppose that is why the comma(,) was put there to outline her actions as follows. She probably took the fruit, went to her husband before eating it herself and later giving it to here husband.
@N. Drew: Why say that bioflex? I wondered why there were two accounts of man's creation.
I believe it is clear that both accounts of creation covered different aspects, the first covered the creation of the entire universe and everthing that is in(including man). But the second account goes into the specifics of mans creation. If the second account was not written we would never had known that God first created Adam and later created Eve from 1 of his ribs to be his perfect companion.
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by N.drew inthe ark pictures the response to one kind.. it means the customs of the people can cause catastrophe.. and most people did not stop the destructive behavior , but some used it to be redeemed.. .
sodom pictures the other kind.. it means the people respond badly to the intuitive recognition that doom is ahead.. .
in one case what the people are doing causes something bad.
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@Nancy: Account number one has no tree of either life or knowledge. Why? There was no history yet. It isn't rocket science, you know. It is?
I dont think that is how it was. In account number one, they are free to eat from every tree in the garden except the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
account number two state after they had eaten of the "good/evil tree" they were barred from eating of the "tree of life"
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"This Good News of the Kingdom" preached in all the inhabited earth ? a failed prophecy ? You tell me.
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@Blondie: Thanks for the quotes, aparently they are not even cerain if its being accomplished or not.
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"This Good News of the Kingdom" preached in all the inhabited earth ? a failed prophecy ? You tell me.
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Of course it is being preached, by who? by bible believing christians. Its more than just going door to door with some booklets.
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by N.drew inthe ark pictures the response to one kind.. it means the customs of the people can cause catastrophe.. and most people did not stop the destructive behavior , but some used it to be redeemed.. .
sodom pictures the other kind.. it means the people respond badly to the intuitive recognition that doom is ahead.. .
in one case what the people are doing causes something bad.
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Very interesting topic. Let me add a few to the discussion.
@Ndew: have you ever wondered why man(any) cant see God? even Adam and Eve when they knew so sin were still not capable of seeing him. The problem lies in the flesh. The kind of flesh we have is our limitation in comprehending the magnificence of God, just think about the sun, how close do you think a human can get before being oblerated. So in our mortal state humans are meant to die at a point in time regardless of relationship to sin, our only sustenance was the Tree of life which was in the garden of eden. It was that which could give life(even eternal) and to make whole all infirmities of our human nature. And that tree was/ is Jesus Christ. But Christ fact that Christ has no relationship with devil/ sin is the reason Adam and Eve could not partake of him(The tree) after they sinned.
There is no way any man can live a perfect life free from sin in our current nature. Sin is built right into our DNA, its built into our thoughts and there is no denying it. Our only freedom from sin is through Christ. And that will come in flesh that is incoruptible, spiritual. Then and only then will we be free, and also be capable of seeing God.
Now talkin about the sun, who knows if its going to last forever, its only there as long as there is reason for it to be. And when its purpose is achieved its going to pass away just like this current earth is destined to. That is why the JW idea of an earthly(this earth) paradise is delutional. How are we supposed to see God, how are we supposed to have that personal and intimate relationship with him.
Revelation 21:3(KJV)- And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God
Its only in the New literal heaven and earth, Not symbolic as the WT$ claim.
Revelation 21:1(KJV)- And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Unless perhaps the WT$ god was to dry the 70% of sea and fill them with stone or something.
Hope i can keep up with the topic.
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WT Library 2011
by Haelcer innew watchtower library 2011 in english is available here:.
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http://www.filestube.com/46b7d96d595f742503eb/go.html.
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would you be so kind to upload to fileserve.com . i have a premium account on there and would be my best option to download this. Thanks in advance
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WT Library 2011
by Haelcer innew watchtower library 2011 in english is available here:.
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http://www.filestube.com/46b7d96d595f742503eb/go.html.
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Thank you very much, i needed this so much that i had to download the 2010 edition.