I have to agree with this - peoples legs/arms being broken at football matches, lots of swearing, just so aggressive, win at any cost - stopped going in the end.
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Brothers playing sports are so aggressive.
by Kaiser inthis summer i started to play football(soccer) with "wordly" people.
it s been so nice and relaxing without flashovers.. contrast for playing with witnesses is huge!
here is couple examples of witnesses games from where i live:.
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Can't get work after pioneering
by ekruks ini was just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation and can advise me?.
like many here, i was bought up as a jw, with full-time service (bethel, pioneer) the only career option held out in front of me.
i wanted to take a government loan and go to university, but was forced not to, labelled 'materialistic'.. i became a pioneer / window cleaner - round here, almost all pioneer brothers window clean, unless they are retired or have a rich daddy.
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Just to let you know that I am making progress on this
What I don't understand is the attitude of the elders - they don't seem to see that they forced me not to get an education and that this is not advantageous. They seem blind to me not being able to pay the bills, but just keep telling me to do ministry, as if it's the answer to everything.
They don't seem to live in the real world. Keep reading me Matt 6:33 and telling me if I did ministry, Jehovah would provide, as he has done for them. I wonder sometimes how they manage to get by financially.
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Can't get work after pioneering
by ekruks ini was just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation and can advise me?.
like many here, i was bought up as a jw, with full-time service (bethel, pioneer) the only career option held out in front of me.
i wanted to take a government loan and go to university, but was forced not to, labelled 'materialistic'.. i became a pioneer / window cleaner - round here, almost all pioneer brothers window clean, unless they are retired or have a rich daddy.
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snare&racket - " This guy is gonna set up his future. "
Thanks !
Hortensia - " now you need to get real and earn a living "
I will use those words !
Joe Grundy - " a proportion of those unemployed have no intention of taking a job "
True - if people have kids, this isn't that hard to do.
"How bad is the CFS/ME?"
Lack energy for physical work, so pay a guy to do the difficult bits, but then I make less money. I either need to get cleaning contracts for offices, take on guys, and become a supervisor doing paperwork (in a recession!) or get a desk job somewhere. This doing work for free thing - hard to find people that will let you do that for desk work, but I've never had a job follow.
"Are you ready to get out of the JW stuff and make a new life? "
Being ill often gets in the way of JW stuff, but being ill, it's awkward to just cut family off - that will be very stressful, the upsetting them, they don't understand it's wrong, loosing them, only people I know. A number of my customers are JWs, and it's hard to get new ones with this recession. It's very lonely - I don't know anyone outside the truth - self-employed so no work mates - cleaning customers are only worldly people I meet (see how this work is good for keeping people ignorant and inside the WT) who give me coffees while I clean, but they are not going to invite me round to their posh houses to watch a movie - maybe in the USA, but in the UK, tradition is strong.
"Third, is the JW treadmill contributing to the CFS/ME?"
Probably. When you tell the brothers that the doctors say you have CFS/ME, and the elders won't accept such an illness, and tell me it must be I offended the holy spirit, that I am letting the demons get to me. They tell me I need to pray more, read the Bible more, and be more submissive, then I will feel peace of mind.
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Iran Bans Women From Getting Most University Degrees
by Diest inhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9487761/anger-as-iran-bans-women-from-universities.html.
anger as iran bans women from universitiesfemale students in iran have been barred from more than 70 university degree courses in an officially-approved act of sex-discrimination which critics say is aimed at defeating the fight for equal women's rights.in a move that has prompted a demand for a un investigation by iran'smost celebrated human rights campaigner, the nobel laureate shirin ebadi, 36 universities have announced that 77 ba and bsc courses in the coming academic year will be "single gender" and effectively exclusive to men.. .
it follows years in which iranian women students have outperformed men, a trend at odds with the traditional male-dominated outlook of the country's religious leaders.
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Iran bans degrees? - sounds like the Governing Body. It's all about control - the less uneducation people have, the easier it is to keep them ignorant and close-minded. Muslim men want women to stay in extreme subjection - Governing Body want unquestioning, absolute obedience.
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south africa - so disappointing!
by LouBelle inand thebsouth africa was on a high!
cameron van de burgh won gold in the 200m breaststroke.
chad le clos beat the amazing phelps by a finger, got the gold in that one, a silver in another.
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"d ead count is 34 ....attacked with machete and panga's.... the SA Police, panicked "
Sharpeville? Police panicked and opened fire - many died.
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Can't get work after pioneering
by ekruks ini was just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation and can advise me?.
like many here, i was bought up as a jw, with full-time service (bethel, pioneer) the only career option held out in front of me.
i wanted to take a government loan and go to university, but was forced not to, labelled 'materialistic'.. i became a pioneer / window cleaner - round here, almost all pioneer brothers window clean, unless they are retired or have a rich daddy.
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Thank you again guys!
Job interviews - one slight problem here: no job references
Fakesmile - that's what I have done, because people look down on window cleaners.... the idea being that someone does such a 'lowly' job if they can't get something better, i.e. dumb.... the problem is, they ask for a reference.... so I ask an elder to supply one? One flat out refused, telling me that pioneering is a real career. They don't like me wording pioneering in a way that means something to people outside the community, as you say "self-employed pastor" or I write 'volunteer minister of religion' - I list out the congregation/pioneer duties I had, mentioning what job tasks they are equivalent to.
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Can't get work after pioneering
by ekruks ini was just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation and can advise me?.
like many here, i was bought up as a jw, with full-time service (bethel, pioneer) the only career option held out in front of me.
i wanted to take a government loan and go to university, but was forced not to, labelled 'materialistic'.. i became a pioneer / window cleaner - round here, almost all pioneer brothers window clean, unless they are retired or have a rich daddy.
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Perfect1 - " as a teenager when we had breaks for coffee and donut I never had any money in my wallet"
This sounds just like me - I would always feel ashamed of myself when all the other pioneers would be drinking their coffees and I wanted to be part of it, for the association, but would say I had a return visit to do, because I had no money. It was a real feeling of failiure, because I couldn't manage what they did. I wish now that I had claimed on the welfare state like I later realised they were doing, but it seems corrupt to me.
Billy - "You're suffering not because of some personal failing."
I would think there was something wrong with myself, because I couldn't make as much money as the other pioneers in the same amount of time - this was very stressful. Did this happen to anyone else?
I couldn't help feeling like I'd failed, and zero self-respect, feeling I must have offended Jehovah because Matt 6:33 wasn't happening for me. I tried hard with the ministry, talks, meeting comments, spent my few pennies on cheap suits, but took years to become a servant and the elders would tell me I wasn't to ask why but wait on Jehovah - I don't think I'm alone there. Trying to clean windows, without any experience and little help from other window cleaning pioneers - did anyone help you guys start up? What did your parents think? Mine are happy if I pioneer and not worried if I was in a financial mess as Armageddon is soon - this really messes with my head!
I struggle with the window cleaning, especially paperwork, because it has so many demoralising memories and it's damn embarrasing - drive up to a house and think of the one next door I lost because I was 2 weeks late because I was doing pre-convention work - year after year of not making ends meet, well, it's hard to think much of window cleaning. I'm wearing clothes from before I was pioneering - repaired lots, holes in socks, telling myself to be humble. When I see a brother with a flash new window cleaning van, well, I don't feel it can be the WT to blame as that brother is doing ok and I'm not pioneering now, so that "I'm some pathetic looser" feeling strikes again.
Later I realised that they had different circumstances to me - some lived in parents' homes and when parents' died they got a free house and rented out the spare room, while others had a rich family member and others were a couple. Ironic was elders' kids who went to university then got a part-time job. All this telling me to stay single to pioneer as I could do more for Jehovah - married couples have two incomes, but same rent bill ! To think of all the trouble the brothers gave me for getting to know sisters.
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Can't get work after pioneering
by ekruks ini was just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation and can advise me?.
like many here, i was bought up as a jw, with full-time service (bethel, pioneer) the only career option held out in front of me.
i wanted to take a government loan and go to university, but was forced not to, labelled 'materialistic'.. i became a pioneer / window cleaner - round here, almost all pioneer brothers window clean, unless they are retired or have a rich daddy.
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ekruks
Thanks for your encouraging comments. It's good to not be alone.
St. George, I don't have a wife who can work while I study.... your wife sounds very supportive! Even if I get a loan for studying, I won't have the time, because I still need to somehow pay the rent. I am thinking to ask to stay with my family while studying, but they are very zealous so will be pressuring me to the ministry and not appreciate me trying to get a degree.
Zzaphod, unless I have this wrong, DLA only pays £50/week - that won't pay for food/rent.
Fury, " You may find your area is saturated or overrun with dole cheats " - yes, it's how window cleaners generally survive on such low income - after struggling as a pioneer to make ends meet, missing meals, walking on ministry as no fuel money, I found out that other brothers weren't declaring their business properly. Been knocking doors all over the place, but people are cutting back due to the recession - fuel prices going up but window cleaning prices going down. Haven't got a clue how to get commercial jobs.
" Most jobs come from knowing someone in the firm "...I think applies to getting contracts too, and I don't know anyone in the world, except people I clean windows for - not much good for networking. I guess if I had been to university, I would have class mates working somewhere in the same industry. All I know is dozens of hard-up window cleaners hoping Armagedon comes soon.
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Can't get work after pioneering
by ekruks ini was just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation and can advise me?.
like many here, i was bought up as a jw, with full-time service (bethel, pioneer) the only career option held out in front of me.
i wanted to take a government loan and go to university, but was forced not to, labelled 'materialistic'.. i became a pioneer / window cleaner - round here, almost all pioneer brothers window clean, unless they are retired or have a rich daddy.
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I was just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar situation and can advise me?
Like many here, I was bought up as a JW, with full-time service (Bethel, pioneer) the only career option held out in front of me. I wanted to take a government loan and go to University, but was forced not to, labelled 'materialistic'.
I became a pioneer / window cleaner - round here, almost all pioneer brothers window clean, unless they are retired or have a rich daddy. It's quite tough, as customers treat you like some idiot who couldn't get an education, and most brothers claim state welfare to survive. Here in the UK, if you have kids, the state will basically pay your rent and provide you welfare for the kids, and this is how people get by on low income jobs. I am single without kids as per GB direction - more time for Jehovah - so no wife to share bills with and the state doesn't help - they are cutting back the welfare state: they provide very little support to under 35s.
Now I'm not pioneering, I can't stay with my family, and I have no idea how to get by. How do you guys make ends meet without a degree?
I have a lot of problems with stress from congregation problems, lack energy I had before, doctor says I have CFS/ME; the elders said it's the demons, lack of prayer - I can't get enough windows cleaned to make ends meet - sometimes I eat one meal a day and my clothes are falling apart. I throw out leaflets and knock doors but can't get enough cleaning jobs. I don't have the money to setup any other kind of business. My friends/family, people I'd look to for advice or support, are avoiding me because I find meetings stressful. This is so lonely!
I apply for jobs, but my CV/resume just says "college dropout who took up window cleaning" so people assume I was too dumb to finish school and won't take me seriously. I find this very depressing as I no longer have this thought of living forever or great purpose the ministry gave, but my life is going by fast and I'm achieving nothing. I am ignorant of how life works outside JW world and have no connections. I can see myself in this same mess in 20, 30 years time, like many old pioneers I know struggling to pay their bills.
Any one been here? What did you do?
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Welfare Queen Asks For Too Much
by Bangalore inwelfare queen asks for too much.. http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/129629/welfare_queen_asks_for_too.
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BandOnTheRun - I have to agree with you.
Lots of the local brothers and sisters claim welfare, often so they can work less so they can pioneer (!?) It's frowned upon, and supposedly doesn't go on, but many elders do. The very co-ordinator that told me I had to work for everything, had himself worked the system out so that he didn't work - supposedly was looking for work, for years.
In the last days of my pioneering, I did claim welfare, because I couldn't afford to eat. When I stopped pioneering, the stress had made me very ill, so welfare have granted me various provisions at times. My lack of education, means I don't earn much, so they still help me a bit. Living on welfare is not as easy as I ever imagined. The state never pays quite enough to live off. It's a nightmare if you need a car, or even bus, to get to work, because they don't contribute enough for you to pay food, rent and transport.
I know there are girls who just go to the local nightclub and get pregnant to get welfare to provide housing, which I'm not pleased about, though to be honest, life must be bad to push them to that, and the baby shouldn't be on the street. If you don't have a young kid, welfare doesn't provide much, even less if you are a male, as even in this day of equal rights, men are somehow less vulnerable to poverty (!?)
Wear the same clothes for years, no recreation money, and a flat, well, it's better than a cardboard box on the street, but it's poorly-built and the neighbours have problems, which is difficult when you all live so close to each other. One thing about pioneering - all those years of living on a low budget, finding bargains and free things do help.
It gives me a lot of incentive to try harder, to better myself, just to get a better flat, etc. or a car that's so old and rusty that the mechanic keeps hinting it should have been scrapped. However, most other people just accept this as the way it as, and mention how their parents and grandparents lived this way. I think it must be depression, that people just give up, which I can understand, because I have been there. It's so sad though that most people just end up drinking, drugs, etc., which is impossible to pay for on welfare, so prompts crime. Prison doesn't help, therapy/love might.