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A geophysicist looks at the "Life" book

by Mindchild in

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i was going through some files on my computer tonight and discovered something i wrote a few years back for an elder serving as a congregation po who claimed he was trained as a geologist (fat chance of that when i actually started asking him questions he didn't even know the basics) and claimed that the societies life book was a very scientific and comprehensive piece of work.

in fact, he claimed that if i could show otherwise, he would use the information in a public talk he was giving that related to the subject.

i blew him off at first because this is just about the same odds of winning the lottery but he kept after me and then taunting me that i had no answer for him.

mommy

Mindchild,
I am but a normal human with limited education, and the Creation book was laughable to me. A few months ago JanH gave me a copy of his article that dissected the book with numerous proof of misquotes and play on words, not to mention the obvious deceit.

Recently my mom challenged me to go through the creation book and try to disprove it. I did the same as you and said I would if she sat there and went through it with me when I was done. After she agreed I got started. I went through marking up the margins, page after page of ridicuous claims. Then I went back and compared to Jan's article and put in some well researched quotes he had provided.

It came to the day we were going to discuss it, and let me tell you the discussion lasted 3 1/2 hours. Alot of changing the subject on her part, and not sticking to the facts. LOL I even called a proffessor at the local university and he talked to me for a few minutes on the process of evolution. When my mom jumped on the phone and demanded some answers he didn't take kindly to that and hung up on her.

At the end of the discussion she finally admitted that evolution is a fact, but will not accept the evolutionary theory. Which in itself is a small victory...kinda

Okay now I am on to proving that the bible is just a book, and not inspired. Which means more research to be done...lol I asked her to tell me who translated the NWT, and she did not know. I asked her for proof that it is inspired by god, and she said since I am denying it I need to prove it to her...no comment
wendy

BTW do a search on Francis Hitching on Google...it is funny to see what other religions think of him

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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A Further Update of Who's Who

by Stephanus in

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added today: boozerunner, dubla, hippikon and outnfree.. don't worry, hippi, i've engaged a good solicitor!

"you've got the brain of a four-year-old boy, and i'll bet he was glad to get rid of it.".

- groucho marx

mommy

Thanks Steph!
The site looks great, and I just learned a few things about some of those people.

I have been wondering where Moodyblue went to! I was worried about her, glad to see she found some solace in that hottie dubla:)

I also had no idea about Boozy's wife...how sad ((((hugs)))) Boozy, my friend, I would love to sit and chat with you. Or maybe you can spin a few records for us to listen too

Outnfree,
Haha you are awesome! I didn't know it took them until Sunday to figure it out haha!
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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divining rods work

by zerubberballz in

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it's a funny ol' world.

a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.

so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).

mommy

Seeker

Teejay, signing up for Lit 101 tomorrow

Waiting, Elvis is god!
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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I Dream of the Apostate Rocks Cafe

by Mindchild in

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i had the weirdest dream last night.... it started with me taking a taxi ride in some city i had never been in before and i kept seeing these billboards which were all black and white and saying: dont go there!

i asked the taxi driver what that was all about and he told me that this was the watchtower society telling everyone not to go to the apostate rocks cafe.. anyway, i told him to immediately take me there and i just cant believe all the people surrounding this place.

there are like thousands and thousands of people wanting to get inside.

mommy

Skipper,
HAha Usually if I want to finish a dream I close my eyes again and try to go back to sleep. Keep us posted!
wend

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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"a man's enemies..."

by teejay in

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do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth.

i did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a .

mommy

Teejay,
I remember sitting in on a study where my mom was conducting and heard her telling the meaning of this scripture. I was thinking NO WAY! This is the most asanine thing I have ever heard. My mother was showing her(the study) before it happened what the woman's family would do if she became a JW. And consoling her that Jesus already fortold that this would happen, and it was his purpose. I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now.

Not long ago we sat down and had a discussion on the bible, and I brought up this scripture. She still interprates it the same way. That jesus came to cause a division in families, so that some may be saved. Of course when I asked her why jesus didn't want the whole family to be saved she went onto some mumbo jumbo about not being worthy, and their hearts are hardened. And I had to jump off the merry go round because I don't want to ride anymore. Once you are out of the religous double speak, it is hard to sit through much of it.

What it boils down to is that anyone can interpret the scriptures anyway they want. And if you are really good and able to jump from one scripture to the next making it sound half way possible, you might even get a religion behind you. Now tie in a prize for the good and fear of a horrible death, and you have followers. Then add a bit of control, over your thoughts and your family members and you have a cycle that can only be broken one person at a time, with much pain for all. Religion is the craziest thing, so sad you don't see it until you get out of it.
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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divining rods work

by zerubberballz in

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it's a funny ol' world.

a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.

so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).

mommy

LOl@Seeker,
Well I am not one to talk to about Elvis...I am a believer he is still alive Perhaps my wording was off. You can discount it, but you can't disprove it happened. Is that better?
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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divining rods work

by zerubberballz in

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it's a funny ol' world.

a month ago i was mucking about with some thick fencing wire and i suddenly got the idea to bend a couple of pieces into a set of divining rods like i've seen old nutters doing on tv.

so i cut two sections of wire about 2' long and bent the ends 4" at 90 degrees to form old fashioned diving rods (twitching sticks are made of yew or hickory or something .. don't know what, if anything aboriginies used).

mommy

Unc,
I understand why you posted this. I also understand why so many are knocking it. What I don't understand is why the ones who haven't tried it are knocking it I have never been in a seance, or used a ouija board, but do you think I would jump into a convo about it and tell everyone that they are wrong? You cannot discount a person's personal experience, end of story. If you do, then you look silly.

Thomas,
I hope you have a happy demon free day
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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"Wait On Jehovah"

by silentlambs in

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wait on jehovah, is an interesting terminology.

it is used basically to stop an action from taking place.

the inference would be that you should leave it in gods hands and in his due time he will maneuver things to address the matter.

mommy

I was always sick when I heard that expression. Though I can honestly say that at times it appears to have worked. But my take on that is that your bad deeds will eventually catch up with you. My own sister was living a double life for over 8 years before she was exposed, and I think that was because she was foolish enough to get pregnant. There is a time when physical intervention is neccesary, but with using this blanket term alot of times action is not taken. Too often especially with abusive spouses, this advice to wait on jehovah is given. When in actuality the abused partner needs to be removed from the home, and perhaps counselling initiated.

Dazed,
I am glad you were able to tell us your experiences, it is hard to put it out there for the public to see. There are many woman here who have had similar experiences to you, and it might be good for you to hook up and talk on a more personal level. The scars from abuse can last for years, and I hope the best for you now. One friend of mine was also beaten by her husband, resulting in 2 lost pregnancies. I can only imagine the pain you are going through over the loss fo your child.
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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Another bicurious female.

by hungry4life in

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after i started the womens body types thread i was amazed at the variety of responses.

and especially so to find out that many of my favorite posters are bisexual or bicurious.

reading the posts was quite upsetting to my boy friend (tssk nice guy but a bit closed minded).

mommy

Hey Hungry
Yesterday's thread did get pretty intense...lol I guess I am out of the closet now I would much rather have a private discussion concerning this topic. Though it is nothing I am ashamed of, I just feel we should keep the DB for other matters. We don't want every thread corrupted with sex talk, though there are many who would not mind, haha. Your email is blocked, so if you want email me, and we can chat.
wendy

BTW Download, Jill Sobule...I kissed a girl, this might give ya the courage to take the final leap

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins

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Guardian Article on Laree

by messenger in

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stephen bates is at it again.

brother gillis will no doubt have a no comment on this one.. .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,596231,00.html.

mommy

Thanks Messenger,
I think it is great that Stephen Bates wrote that article. Have any of you noticed that as soon as a person who knows nothing of the jw religion learns some of the details involved, they become enraged at the way jw's act? Stephen Bates for example, he has seen the wtbts for what it is, and now he cannot be silent. So many who partcipate here have never been a jw, yet they continue to come here and rant with us.

Can you imagine what would happen if we got the word out to a larger group of people? I have read a few other message boards, most recently pertaining to Laree, and I would say 95% of the people said they would slam the door in their face next time they came to the door. If they even took the time to understand the intricate details of the UN fiasco, so many of them would never allow a jw to convert them.
wendy

Blind faith can justify anything.~Richard Dawkins