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  A concerned JW wrote "mistakes will happen."

  by InterestedOne in

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  in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213523/1/feeling-a-bit-alienated, concerned jw wrote:.

  mistakes will happen.

  concerned jw, if mistakes will happen, i was wondering what mistakes you feel the jw organization is currently making?

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  The following is from ConcernedJW

  They have made mistakes but why would that stumble me? We are told that our condition means mistakes will happen but Jehovah will keep guiding through these mistakes.
  
  We are followers of Jehovah whether we are anointed, elders, pioneers or publishers. And it is he who judges opur heart conditions. I think the anointed, governing body do a very good job considering how hard things are and how much perfection people expect from them.

  There are simply no scriptures that say the spirit makes us or our organisation/congregation perfect at this time before Armageddon, it only guides us! Quite the contrary we are said to need refinement right upto the end. Revelations shows that the congregations will have difficulties as a whole. You are reading a new unbiblical set of standards into your expectations of Jehovah's people which is sad. The spirit is perfect but it isn't time to make us perfect yet so it will not have that effect. Fallibility under imperfection is our reality. So nitpicking over our usage of prophecies is like looking for the odd lost stitch in a perfectly usable Blanket.

  This is my response: Concerned JW stick with you religion and keep warm & well fed

  
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  Songs that touch ...

  by talesin in

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  can be mushy ... .

  or can be craaazyyy ... .

  okay, i'll start :).

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUR8OmZpOiE&feature=related
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  Jehovah's happy people know more about HATE! What say you?

  by punkofnice in

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  cut a long one short.

  i encountered an elder the other day.....some threads ago i told of how concerned elder 'alf' (name changed as his real name makes me vomit), came over to 'encourage' me back to the meetings.

  after being hounded by him i told him about 'randcam', philip morris and the un.. .

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  Where will you go? I got so sick of everyone asking that question. They're so scared to think for themselves. It's very sad.

  
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  sing to jehovah

  by becky203 in

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  hello everyone does anyone know where i can download all the songs to the book.

  ive tried jw org and got a few but i would like the rest of the ones i dont have .

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  discreetslave

  Welcome. Please explore the site.

  As to your question the two downloads are the only vocal ones currently available.
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  2 Tier Watchtower Publications- 1) For Regulars and 2) For Door-to-Door

  by dreamgolfer in

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  folks, i dont post much although i have been raised a jw all my life.. it has been awhile since this begain to bother me but i have to ask...what is the true story of why the wtbts created a 2nd edition for wt magazine placement purposes only?

  i have been puzzled but can only suppose the reasons, costs, control, etc...but truly did they think that when ct russell started the magazine it was for all to read, not published for a "select few" and if you come regular to the meetings we'll get you the "real issue" with real articles?.

  i know this has probably been discussed over and over, but please humor me and tell me how they can with a straight face "they" think this was "ok" to publish in this manner.. this alone smacks of hypocrasy, as it was not the intention of the faithful slave to do such a thing when jesus put control on earth in ct's hands, funny how that works out.

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  Public Edition Study Edition

  
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  Scriptures that should be applied to the Watchtower Society

  by Igot2bme in

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  2 tim.

  3:5-7 states: ....having a form of godly devotion but proving false to it's power and from these turn away.

  for from these arise men who slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins and various desires, always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.. .

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  Using their bible

  (Matthew 24:23-26) 23 “Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned YOU. 26 Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it.

  (1 John 2:18-23) 18 Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as YOU have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But [they went out] that it might be shown up that not all are of our sort. 20 And YOU have an anointing from the holy one; all of YOU have knowledge. 21 I write YOU, not because YOU do not know the truth, but because YOU know it, and because no lie originates with the truth. 22 Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son. 23 Everyone that denies the Son does not have the Father either. He that confesses the Son has the Father also.

  (2 John 9-11)9 Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. He that does remain in this teaching is the one that has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.
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  Could you eat breakfast after watching this at Bethel?

  by Dogpatch in

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  this is a partial video of the morning breakfast table in brooklyn bethel in the late 80s, with lyman swingle hosting... the governing body member who at first tried to shelter ray franz from disfellowshipping, but then within a year or two his spirit was broken and he was a bitter man.. randy (i was there and it was death-dealing, like the death eaters from harry potter!).

  address of windows media file if you don't see anything:.

  http://www.randytv.com/swinglebreakfast.wmv.

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  Not that this makes it any better but this video is two parts put together. At 7am it's the daily text and comments then prayer. We started to eat after the prayer at 7:15 20 minutes of breakfast & table talk. At 8:35 the drivel began again. Except during Br Losch he went on and on. We only got a 5-10 minute break before 8:35.

  I use to think there was something wrong with me for sitting there with no reaction. I remember the stares when I didn't clap or laugh along with everyone else. Reading your reactions confirms it wasn't me it was them.
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  Things to inspire JW Youth...We're rooting for you

  by discreetslave in

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  jehovah's witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition.

  only 37% of all those who say they were raised as jehovah's witnesses still identify themselves as jehovah's witnesses.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d2w-enhvdk.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition. Only 37% of all those who say they were raised as Jehovah's Witnesses still identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d2w-enHVdk
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  Continuing to draw the line between cults and DESTRUCTIVE cults

  by sabastious in

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  the easiest place to start understanding a spectral concept, such as cults, is to indentify it's lowest and highest points rather than starting somewhere in the middle.. so lets call the lowest point of the cult spectrum benign and the highest point destructive.. a good example of an extremely benign cult would be the following of the not so popular 80s movie: the princess bride of which i consider myself a member (no documentation .

  if you were to come up to me and claim to be part of the princess bride's cult following i could figure out whether you are a true member by asking you a few questions.

  based on your answers i could then conclude that you either meet the criteria or that you do not.

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  @MrDarkKnight I feel you. Labels can build a wall especially if applied without proof to backup the claim.They misuse the term apostate. Scripturally I am not an apostate. They take the scriptures out of context to mean being against them.

  I use the term cult because they fit the description by a cult expert. I came to view them as a cult while reading Hassan's book. I wanted out of the religion before this but I kept askig what if I'm wrong. Reading Hassan's book helped break the mental grip cults have on followers. To see their way of doing things is not special or from God released me. That is why so many suggest this book. It's like pulling the curtain on the Wizard of oz. This allowed me to truly love myself.

  some excerpts

  Pg 45 para.4 In some cults, members are systematically made to be phobic about ever leaving the group. Today's cults know how to effectively implant vivid negative images deep within members' unconscious minds, making it impossible for the member to even conceive of ever being happy and successful outside of the group. When the unconscious is programmed to accept the negative images, it behaves as though they were true. The unconscious mind is made to contain a substantial image-bank of all of the bad things that will occur if anyone should ever betray the group.

  Pg 79 para 2 Since mind control depends on creating a new identity within the individual, cult doctrine always requires that a person distrust his own self. The doctrine becomes the "master program" for all thoughts, feelings, and actions. Since it is the TRUTH, perfect and absolute, any flaw in it is viewed as only a reflection of the believer's own imperfection. He is taught that he must follow the prescribed formula even if he doesn't really understand it. At the same time he is told that he should try to work harder and have more faith so he will come to understand the truth more clearly.

  Pg 82 para.2,3 The cult member comes to live within a narrow corridor of fear, guilt, and shame. Problems are always the fault of the member, and are due to his weak faith, his lack of understanding, "bad ancestors," evil spirits, and so forth. He perpetually feels guilty for not meeting standards. He comes to believe that "evil" is out to get him. In every destructive cult I have encountered, fear is a major motivator. Each group has its devil lurking around the corner waiting for members to tempt and seduce, to kill or to drive insane. The more vivid and tangible a devil the group can conjure up, the more intense is the cohesiveness it fosters.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE&feature=related
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  Do you have ...

  by talesin in

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  an inspirational quote or saying you would like to share?

  i have a little book that i write stuff down in,, some funny, some serious .... .

  here's one i stole from a friend's f/b feed..... .

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  discreetslave

  George W Bush

  "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

  "They misunderestimated me." --Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

  "This is an impressive crowd -- the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite -- I call you my base." --at the 2000 Al Smith dinner

  "I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008