Posts by discreetslave

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Watchtower Pre-Eve Adam was not male!

by Marvin Shilmer in

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watchtower pre-eve adam was not male!

today i uploaded a new article to my blog addressing watchtowers teaching of adams sexuality at the time of his creation.

as it turns out, adam was not originally created as a male.

discreetslave

Then being transgender shouldn't be a problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl0N7JM3wZk

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What has the WT$ TAKEN from you?

by VampireDCLXV in

if you've been around here long enough, you will have seen people saying how they "gave up" or "sacrificed" certain things so that they could be good little jws.

what about those of us who were growing up in it and we didn't even have a choice in the matter?

what about those of us from whom some things in life were forcibly ripped away, things that 'normal' people take for granted in their life?.

discreetslave

Hey Vampire were 3 for 3 I'm a bit ADHD. I sent you a PM

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More hypocrisy (surprised?) Oct 1 2011 Public Watchtower

by wannabefree in

you could also hold back from scrutinizing.

your beliefs out of fear that doing so would.

display a lack of faith.

discreetslave

Pg 9... you might hesitate to change your beliefs, especially if you have held them for a long time. Such hesitancy is understandable.

Some churches discourage the idea of comparing their teachings with what the Bible says. Others try to defend falsehood by saying that the Bible is complicated, not meant to be understood by everyone. Yet, most of Jesus’ disciples were ordinary people, without higher education, and they readily grasped what he taught.—Acts 4:13.

You could also hold back from scrutinizing your beliefs out of fear that doing so would display a lack of faith. But does itmake sense that God would be displeased with you for looking into the Bible, his message to mankind, to understand what he asks of you? On the contrary, his Word encourages you to examine the Scriptures personally, saying: “Prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.”—Romans 12:2.

This is unbearable. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My husband keeps up with the public edition since its for the ministry and leaves the study edition for when it's time to go over it. If I can get him to compare the public to the garbage in the study edition I may have an in with him. I need patience and the perfect timing.

No joke just last night I said to him words that are reflected in this para. on pg 8 To please God, we must keep our worship free of lies about him. Jesus said: “The true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth.” (John 4:23) We learn the true path to God from his Word, the Bible

I am a discreetslave.

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More hypocrisy (surprised?) Oct 1 2011 Public Watchtower

by wannabefree in

you could also hold back from scrutinizing.

your beliefs out of fear that doing so would.

display a lack of faith.

discreetslave

I need to go and tell the cong. coordinator he was right I should wait on the slave to clear up matters. Now it is okay to scrutinize the teachings when just a few weeks ago I was told I was wrong for questioning. Darn me and my impatience.

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A concerned JW wrote "mistakes will happen."

by InterestedOne in

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in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213523/1/feeling-a-bit-alienated, concerned jw wrote:.

mistakes will happen.

concerned jw, if mistakes will happen, i was wondering what mistakes you feel the jw organization is currently making?

discreetslave

Interested One I agree

I just thought what if Concerned JW is John Wischuk. Who uses the term fodder in normal conversation?

If it is you John, how are you? We haven't spoken in a while.

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A concerned JW wrote "mistakes will happen."

by InterestedOne in

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in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213523/1/feeling-a-bit-alienated, concerned jw wrote:.

mistakes will happen.

concerned jw, if mistakes will happen, i was wondering what mistakes you feel the jw organization is currently making?

discreetslave

He was trying to get to me thru PM's

Here is some of our messages

From CJW

I think I'll keep to using God's word the bible on the ministry. Steve Hassan's book lacks something as a replacement for it. Seriously though Did you want to go to the water or were you led? Witnesses are not a cult. In reality they tick very few of the boxes. Strong-held doctrine is not mind-control. I have had some contact with Steve Hassan's book and know it doesn't mention witnesses and is focussed on closed community cults in it's warnings.

Can I be brutally honest Your basically saying you ran rings around the witnesses at 17 already rings warning bells in my mind. Pride cometh before a fall type of thing. What is your main issue with the witnesses? Personally not just the rehashed fodder people learn off this site? I hope you don't mind me asking.

My Reply:

In regards to my abilities and pride until now I never allowed myself to be prideful about the gifts Jehovah gave me. Who was I to boast about something that didn’t even originate with me?

Now as to my issues are you sincere in this question?
Here is a sum up of what began to tear down my belief that JW's have the one true religion or that it is spirit directed.

Jesus said he was the way, the truth & the life. He did not say there was another intermediary to life. Can the claims the WBTS make regarding having to go thru them to worship God be blasphemy?

Matthew 24:45-47 Who really is the faithful & discreet slave?
1918/1919
Pro 4:18 Light gets brighter(more like an off on switch when you compare JW history)

At baptism the 2nd question is "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization?
Why are Bible studies not taught to prove the claim of being God's spirit directed organization? How many know the year?
Why does the Faith in Action DVD not emphasize 1918/1919? Everything one does as a JW stems from belief that it is God's channel or organization."

After thorough research the explanation of the society does not hold up against the Bible.
Everything one believes as a JW falls apart if there is no scriptural basis for these concepts.
1918/1919 is a crucial date in JW history. It is referred to as the time period Christ approved of the Bible students and they thus filled the role of Matt 24:25-27. Many teachings of the Bible students at that time dishonor God & Christ.
How could it be they were chosen to be his people? Does Pro 4:18 really apply? Is Pro 4:18 used out of context as a cover up?

Is it true it the slave has never claimed to be inspired?

Research this for yourself. If you need older articles or books the website www.jw-archive.org/p/archive.html is a link to older out of print Watchtower pub. it is run by witnesses (any negative or apostate comments posted in the Facebook link are quickly removed. I know because I use to post them. I've been blocked from any further postings.)

If you have friends at Bethel they can send you copies of what you need.

CJW

Prophecy is only 100 percent in hindsight all we can do is use it and pray for spirit guidance for help. Why do I think Jehovah's witnesses are Jehovah's people? Because they are Jehovah's people not Allah's, not a trinity God's, not the sun god Ra's or Zeus worshipers. They worship Jehovah and only he could have revealed this to us.

You quote the faithful and discreet slave scripture and the point of that scripture is they are DOING the assigned task when others are just beating their people and enjoying the kings wealth while he is away. We were chosen when Jesus gave the apostles direction so since then using the bible including the difficult prophecy stuff (we know we won't get completely right) And being followers of Jehovah is what marks us as his Chosen people.

The reason we have gone past those dates now is we have been refined something Daniel shows we will need right up until the end. Even the apostles got things wrong and they had more spirit gifts than us and didn't have Satan's missiles directly from earth around us. I think you expect too much from being Jehovah's people.

They have made mistakes but why would that stumble me? We are told that our condition means mistakes will happen but Jehovah will keep guiding through these mistakes.

We are followers of Jehovah whether we are anointed, elders, pioneers or publishers. And it is he who judges our heart conditions. I think the anointed, governing body do a very good job considering how hard things are and how much perfection people expect from them.

My reply

There is no way you can defend your faithful & discreet slave for not obeying (Matthew 24:23-26) 23 “Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned YOU. 26 Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it.

The claims as to when the end is coming is the same as saying here is the Christ, for Christ is General of God's army.

Yes men are imperfect but Holy spirit is not and to claim the organization is backed by the Holy Spirit when their fruits speak otherwise is blasphemy. The Organization operates under the confusing concept of 'Provisional Infallibility'. On the one hand, information contained in Watchtower is from God and accepted without question; on the other hand, the Watchtower admittedly contains significant mistakes.

The Organization uses the irrational concept that Holy Spirit directs them but they are not inspired. This is illogical inspired means to be directed by Holy Spirit. The concepts of infallibility and inspiration are simple, yet discussing them in line with Watchtower teachings becomes complicated because by definition it is impossible to have direction of Holy Spirit but not be inspired. According to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition:
Infallible; "Incapable of erring" (therefore to be infallible means to be perfect)
Inspire; "to affect, guide, or arouse by divine influence" (or in other words inspired means to be directed by Holy Spirit)
Therefore, if the Organization claims the direction of Holy Spirit it is by definition claiming to be inspired. In this case, it cannot make mistakes, by definition, it should be infallible in the same way the Bible is infallible.

*How do you explain the misinformation in the Jeremiah book on the box on pg 55
*** jr chap. 5 p. 55 ***
Archaeologist Eilat Mazar reports unearthing a small clay seal impression, or bulla. (below left) It was found in 2005 during a supervised excavation of a layer dating back to when Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B.C.E. The seal bears the ancient Hebrew name “Yehuchal ben Shelemyahu,” which is “Jucal the son of Shelemiah” in English.

This is what Eliat Mazar did say re the destruction of Jerusalem www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/palace-king-david.html
We do not yet have clear evidence of the destruction. We may in future seasons. But I believe that it was part of the great destruction of Jerusalem in 586 B.C. by the Babylonians. We have lots of other evidence of this destruction nearby.

She made no mention of 607 BCE she did say she believes it was 586. Most Secular historians feel 587/586 BC not 607. Follow the link above and see for yourself

*(1 Corinthians 10:21) 21 YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah” and the table of demons.
How do you explain Russell justifying the year of 1914 by means of the occult. Watchtower 5/1/1903

WE seriously question all the claims of Astrology;
yet the following--from whatever source the
suggestions come, even though of the Adversary
himself--seem remarkably true to our expectations
based upon the Word of the Lord. For this
reason alone we present them here,--as follows:--....

"Saturn is the representative of the great motive
power that has dominated the mind of man up to
the present time. The great organizations of Capital,
attracting now so much attention, are in reality the last
great struggle of this Saturn-god to save his throne.
But his efforts will be futile, yet far from useless, for
he is blindly doing service for a still greater God in
the same way as the other planets have contributed
blindly to Saturn's glory.
"Jupiter must also transfer his allegiance from the
grasping Saturn to the newly discovered factor that
stands for universal brotherhood; namely, Uranus.
When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign
of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have
made a fair start in the work of setting man free to
work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate
realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and
sages in history.

Yes this was in 1903 but as an organization you still hold to the 1914 date as pivotal. Here are teachings of demons mixing with the word of God how is this acceptable? Does it matter that it was so long ago? Pagan origins of Christmas & Easter were longer ago & you don't dismiss the roots.

*They claim to perform many powerful works in the Lord's name eg the preaching work, yet Christ does not know them for they are workers of lawlessness. You probably will not investigate for yourself the blood guilt they are responsible for regarding Malawi while allowing Mexican br's to bribe their way out of military service. Or their involvement as a UN NGO. Their having a large out of court settlement with a gag order re molestation. Two homosexual governing body members one accused of child molestation.

If these are lies why not sue for libel or defamation? They sued a website for making public the elders book and another site for making public the convention manuscript talk. They only sue when they know they will win.

The warnings of the internet is to keep the truth from all the trusting br's & sis. Not out of concern for your spirituality. Did you know only 37% of children raised witnesses remain. JW have the lowest retention rate of all religions here is the link http://religions.pewforum.org/reports. Did you ever do the math & see how many leave each year? 80-90K these are not all wrongdoing. People are wising up.

If none of this means anything to you then fine stay where you are. We foresee the Proclaimers book going out of print. Why you ask? They are trying to rewrite the history. They've done it before. If this happens or they stop counting partakers reevaluate you religion. I am concerned for you. I am a Christian & the outworking of God's purpose is glorious. He is fulfilling his word in a way you can not discern being trapped as a JW. The end is coming but the outcome is not what you think. God knows hearts and I pray for you. He is forgiving so if out of ignorance you remain the ransom will cover that. Yet remember those who remain in Babylon share in her sins. CJW It's says claims to be christ or messiah nothing more! Reading warnings of Armageddon into this is silly. We are supposed to warn of Armageddon since Jesus died 2000 years ago that is a given with the prophecies.

The Apostles also worked under what you call "Provisional fallibility" because it is clear they made mistakes while having use of the spirit. It is your false expectations of perfection that are stumbling you. The sign of Jehovah's witnesses being God's people is how much we follow God's word. The bible shows that those not following God's word will be blinkered so even the little they have will be taken away from them. You can see this by simply how far off the mark other so-called Christian religions are. They do not even have an awareness of proper teachings and are bending to modern unbiblical culture massively. There are simply no scriptures that say the spirit makes us or our organisation/congregation perfect at this time before Armageddon, it only guides us! Quite the contrary we are said to need refinement right upto the end. Revelations shows that the congregations will have difficulties as a whole. You are reading a new unbiblical set of standards into your expectations of Jehovah's people which is sad. The spirit is perfect but it isn't time to make us perfect yet so it will not have that effect. Fallibility under imperfection is our reality. So nitpicking over our usage of prophecies is like looking for the odd lost stitch in a perfectly usable Blanket. You just quoted learned items from the ex-Jws that to be honest are a mix of wrongly interpret scripture, stumbling at imperfection of men and anti-authority. Jesus is our greater shepherd but he set shepherds among us to look after his sheep until he returns. I follow Jesus especially his instructions in the Bible. Just saying you are a follower of Jesus yet ignoring his instructions is something I suggest you look at. Quoting the learned fodder of ex-Jws as if that is your new bible is not following Jehovah.

Do not make a religion out of being an ex-JW that is just destructive for yourself and those you influence and in my opinion dangerously close to sinning against the spirit. Be careful. I sent him exceprts from Combatting Cult Mind Control and his reply I understand everything I believe as a witness. I only have to look around me to see the effects of immorality gone wild and children abandoned by their father's to see why the bible advocates marriage and fidelity. Jehovah doesn't expect unquestioning obedience he explains in his word the bible why we do what we do. Even the law on blood is explained. And if that isn't enough we can see the results of bible morality ignored in the wars and conflicts in the world around us. Our shepherds have to obey the bible too they cannot order us to break biblical laws on their say so and they know this. I have no problem with the current understandings on bible prophecy because they make sense and we will find out soon enough anyway. I was shocked to see some very explicit sexual threads on this discussions board is this what the ex-Jws want now? You can quote mind-control stuff but it simply doesn't apply. It's like trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. We as witnesses have explicit biblical beliefs for anyone to see and read. There is no mind-control. That is a very weak argument from this site. credit due to JWFacts, JWFiles, Captives of a Concept

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Things to inspire JW Youth...We're rooting for you

by discreetslave in

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jehovah's witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition.

only 37% of all those who say they were raised as jehovah's witnesses still identify themselves as jehovah's witnesses.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d2w-enhvdk.