http://jwnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/criminal-prosecution-of-the-christian-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses/.
it was mentioned in here that the attorney claimed that the f&ds does not exist and is only a theological arrangement.
i apologize if this has been thoroughly discussed before, but i couldn't find anything concrete.
If mr unthank did have a transcript he would have shared it already. Why should we expect him to have one in the first place? these were not criminal proceedings - just the preliminary steps towards one.
But i don't doubt that the wt attorney said those words.
life come from the living, and this is a universe of life.
his teachings are truth.
which is why i weight it against the truth of the teachings (and one other thing that i will get to).
hi to all my online friends over a very late coffee
my undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
NC - thanks for replying
the social contracts you mention, how were they implemented and reinforced if not through community religion (this is what I have learned anyway in my study of parts of European civilisation)? I'd agree with you if you said that at one time kinship was the main vehicle for consolidating alliances but this too was governed by outside forces called gods which I would say encapsulates the idea of actions and their consequences (this part I agree with you but would go further and suggest is part of all experience provided we allow for the activities of the gods).
I agree with what you say about the development of culture but the gods were an enormous part of it.
Your ideas about the how the concept of theft was conceived only make sense if we apply the present to the past. Is this what you are doing? I want to clarify in case you have some ancient anthropological evidence that corroborates what you say? what I mean to say is that I don't know much about anthropology and would welcome what you have.
I don't mean to be combatitive even if my reply does sound like that. I really want to understand. However I do respect your personal opinion and if you want to leave it at that then fine with me.
my undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
so where in your view, NC, does evil come from. what is your philosophy regarding evil. Before you ask me what my philosophy regarding evil is, I'll tell you strainghtaway I don't have one in particular, just so you know ;-)).
my undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
enjoy your weekend Sab. By the time you get back, from the looks of things, the bbq will be just about ready for another human sacrifice.
edit: the beauty of chrisitanity is that jesus died once and for all
just want to share this amazing debate!
caltech cosmologist and physicist sean carroll teams up with skeptic magazine publisher and science historian michael shermer in this epic debate with noted conservative author and king's college president dinesh d'souza and mit physicist ian hutchinson as they go head-to-head over one of the most controversial issues of our age.
as science pushes deeper into territory once the province of religion, with questions such as why there is something rather than nothing?, where did the universe come from?, how did life arise?, what was the origin of morality?, and others, inevitable conflicts arise over the best approach to answer them.
oldgenerationdude - great post - welcome to jwn
my undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
that's a great idea NC - bible stories from different points of view.
my undisputed hero of the bible is known by several names, depending on who you talk to...devil, satan, lucifer, etc.. read it, and you'll find that he was the only one who really stood up for you.. he asserted that you could make decisions for yourself...and told you the very real truth that, just because the piece of meat in your chest stops thumping, you positively do not 'die'.. he was your hero.
he stood up to a daddy-maniac and said, 'just because you made us doesnt mean you have the right to tell us what to do.
i thought we were free?'.
I guess the serpent could also be seen as being instrumental in egging man on to engage in destruction (the kind that results from becomming too aware of his own power to lord it over others). So then knowing good and bad could be seen as a warning about hubris the kind of hubris that leads to destructiveness. Overweening man would then have no place in the garden of Eden.
libertad!
though my story is a bit more complicated than that.
i live in argentina.
knowsnothing
LMSA - what you will quickly find, here on JWN, is that we are willing to be more objective once we have gotten past our beefs.
my pain has been in remission.
i have a morphine pump.
pain broke through toward the end of the medication.
band - I'm so sorry - I cannot imagine what it is like to be in so much pain.
