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  WTBTS annual meeting this Saturday

  by Skimmer in

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  the wtbts annual meeting is this saturday (if i recall correctly), and so today (friday) is the last day for the prescient among us to publicly offer our speculations, and if available, inside knowledge as to what new turdlets will be emitted from "god's only true channel".. i will repeat my main guess here and write that we will see a number of organizational changes that have the effect, which has been seen before, of moving assets closer to brooklyn while moving liabilities to the circuit and congregational levels for protective compartmentalization.. anyway, here is your last opportunity to offer your views before the big day.

  so feel free to post your comments to this thread; you too can be a cassandra or a tiresias or a fred the wonder cat.. well, skip the last one.

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  Moxy

  i doubt there will be anything really big, but probably something. just wanted to point out that any adjustments announced will be organizational, not doctrinal.

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  Special talk?

  by NikL in

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  i was just fowarded this from a faithful dub.

  it sounds fishy to me, like one of those e mail hoaxes that go around.

  subject: special talk on september 30 2001. .

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  oh terrific. more evidence that this talk is going/has gone viral. for all their opposition to the net, theyve gotten a useful ally in one sense, despite themselves.
  http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/aug2000/nf20000830_601.htm

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  Intro

  by Legate in

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  it has taken a while but i feel i should introduce myself.

  i won't bore anybody with too many details.

  just that i am an ex-jw, inactive and well... disappointed.

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  welcome, legate. nice to see yet another intelligent and educated individual who got out and lowered the collective average IQ inside by doing so. and it sounds like your studies will bring some interesting points of view to the discussion table here so i hope you stick around a bit.

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  Armed Security to be at Oct 7 event

  by Esmeralda in

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  ...at least at the one in my state.

  found out that they read a letter sunday at one of the congregations going to the october 7 meeting.

  there will be hired armed security guards with metal detectors at the door, everyone will have to go through before being allowed in.. they also said that you're not allowed to bring in any bags like lunch coolers, and that you may be physically searched.

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  Moxy

  yes amnesian. only the san diego one is limited.

  how many are there, anyways? i know detroit and toronto.

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  Tape record Oct. 7 meeting

  by comment in

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  could anyone who is attending the special meeting on october 7 arrange to tape record it?.

  it would probably not be that hard to bring in one of those mini-cassette recorders and at least capture part of what is said.. i am sure others who are unable to attend the meeting would be interested in hearing a recording.

  and if it turns out to be a "historic occasion," it would be nice for the world to have a document of it.. comment

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  i will have a tape recorder. theres no need to hide it. the meeting is not top secret. the talk about body seaches (lol) is just related to security. at least thats what ive been told. ill find out tomorrow. u can be sure that ill make any interesting bits available by mp3, but i fear tomorrow will be anti-climactic and we shall all be disappointed. i expect the program will be largely experiences...

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  Special talk?

  by NikL in

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  i was just fowarded this from a faithful dub.

  it sounds fishy to me, like one of those e mail hoaxes that go around.

  subject: special talk on september 30 2001. .

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  interesting nikl. i think this is genuine myself. its bound to go thru some mis-translation from forwarding. (my email was slightly different at the beginning and end - the main part was verbatim.)

  whether its genuine or not means little really. if it goes viral, it will pass into the common collective of the r&f. im always amazed by experiences that get posted in WOL etc with no names and places that sound truly outlandish. but NO one ever says, 'hmm, i wonder if this is real.' if there is any restraint, it is only due to fear at providing an 'alternate channel' like they've told not to.

  reading it again, this part at the beginning is ridiculous:

  1. Islam is now larger than Christendom. According to
  the mankind search for God book, the inside map shows
  the amount of people in major religions. The numbers
  for the Islamic religion is now much larger.

  i hope that if this WAS a real talk, that the note-taker was doing a poor job.

  1. the search book (1990) has no such statistics. it has a map showing LOCATIONS of adherents. not number.

  2. even so, the area marked christendom is of course much larger than islam.

  3. there are far more christians than muslims in the world.

  perhaps the speaker said there are now more muslims than CATHOLICS. that would fit the facts more.

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  Is the word "Jehovah" a magic word?

  by NikL in

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  when i first left the org.

  i started doing a great ammount of research and during one of my trips to the librairy i discovered that the word "jehovah" was a magic word and was used in magic spells and various occult ceremonies.

  i learned all of this from a book about magic and secret societies.

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  well, you dont have to do that much research to find inconsistencies. the reference in genesis to 'a start being made of calling on the name of jehovah.' is explained bizarrely by the society as blasphemous calling. that is the only way that the verse which appears to talk about yahism having a beginning can be explained. of course archeology shows us that yahwism was just one cult among many and was combined with other ones until fairly late in israels history when a start was made of jahwist monotheism. in that light, the genesis verse makes more sense.

  but anyway, i digress.

  the point is that demonic false religion is allowed to use jehovahs name too by WT interpretation so obviously the demons cant be all THAT shaken up by the mere mention of the name. i would expect that if pressed, JWs would distingush between those who 'called upon the name with faith' and those who didnt. its a magic word but you have to know how to say it to make it work right.

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  Special talk?

  by NikL in

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  i was just fowarded this from a faithful dub.

  it sounds fishy to me, like one of those e mail hoaxes that go around.

  subject: special talk on september 30 2001. .

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  i got this email too. identified as a talk given in greensboro, NC by an unidentified Brooklynite.

  this frightens me. its doing the rounds so quickly, these points will likely make the transition from unofficial rumour to generally accepted new light. and its a BRILLIANT talk from the sounds of it. it explains so much that is likely to happen. it explains the continued drop in pubs and the Dateline episode and similar. if this continues to go 'viral' as we say in advertising, we might be right back into '75-mode. that wont be good for anybody.

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  letter to British Bethal

  by sleepy in

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  i hope to send this letter today although i must seriously consider the consequences if i do.. please let me know if i got the ngo info right.. dear brothers,.

  i am writing on two matters of major concern to me.. firstly recently i have become aware of the fact that the watchtower society of jehovahs witnesses in new york is associated as an ngo (non governmental organisation) with the department of public information of the united nations organisation.. at first i was very skeptical of the idea , but when i checked it out on the uns web site i found that jehovahs witnesses were indeed listed in partnership with the un.. this is puzzling to me as by belief has been that the un was taught by the faithful and discreet slave to be part of satans political system of things.. here are some quotes from watchtower literature.. *** re 248 34 an awesome mystery solved ***.

  the un is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of gods messianic kingdom by his prince of peace, jesus christto whose princely rule there will be no end.. .

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  Moxy

  while we're being so picky, its spelled 'skeptical.'

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  Another Watchtower Deception

  by bajarama in

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  i imagine most on this board have already read about this issue.

  below is a excerpt from the 95' awake.

  what i gather from it is the watchtower makes it sound like they foretold the return of the united nations in 1942, three years before it took place in 1945.

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  Moxy

  oh thx for cut-and-pasting all that waiting. id read that already but i meant the part about 'spirit mediums.' I think you're thinking of Johannes Greber. W.E. Vine is a well-respected expositor afaik.

  mox

  i spose i am - no one has enquired...