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  Reference to 2 Maccabees in Hebrews 11?

  by CatholicGuy in

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  hebrews chapter 11 is well-known for its description of the "heroes of faith.

  " after speaking of the most notable figures from the old testament it says:.

  "women received their dead by resurrection; but other men were tortured because they would not accept release by some ransom, in order that they might attain a better resurrection.

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  thx catholic, this is great.
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  WOW we're soo advanced!!

  by VeniceIT in

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  i don't if you've realized it but simon made the people's profiles in chat clickable from their names.

  it's pretty groovy.

  i just put a guestbook on my website, it still amazes me what all you can do with the internet.. funny never thought it would be the downfall of the wts and similar orgs.

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  yeah, simon. i didnt really thank you for making that adjustment so quickly, instead commenting on cross-platform issues. sorry and thanks.

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  Reference to 2 Maccabees in Hebrews 11?

  by CatholicGuy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hebrews chapter 11 is well-known for its description of the "heroes of faith.

  " after speaking of the most notable figures from the old testament it says:.

  "women received their dead by resurrection; but other men were tortured because they would not accept release by some ransom, in order that they might attain a better resurrection.

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  i was just looking at this chart the other day and thinking that it would be really helpful to see ALL the books incuded in the list of codeces, not just the ones that make up the modern NT. where might one find such an exhaustive list?

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  Bible Contradiction: Passing God's Test

  by JosephAlward in

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  the bible contradicts itself in the matter of god's omniscience.

  the author of deuteronomy says that god has to perform a test to learn if one of his chosen people love him: .

  why would an all-knowing god have to perform a test to learn something?

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  Moxy

  ill take a crack at this.

  sure, god could just look into everyones heart and see who was good and bad. he could even just knock folks off before they have a chance to actually do anything very bad, just as a pre-emptive strike. he would be in his right to do so, as an omniscient being. (putting aside determinism vs free will arguments for the moment.) however, it would not seem very fair to us as observers and would not teach us anything. how much better to provide circumstances whereby the traits that god alone can see become clearly evident to human observers. then when god acts, he will appear more just and less arbitrary.

  also, i think the two reference in John were poor choices to show the bible teaching of omniscience. both are in reference to jesus and you are therefore introducing a whole can of trinitarian rationalization by using them. and the context of both statements is in reference to specific knowledge and does not clearly infer omniscience in the sense required to show a contradiction. remember that the deutoronomy scripture implies limited knowledge not of motive, but of decision and action. a corresponding scripture showing full knowledge of future decisions and actions is needed.

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  This Generation will not pass away?

  by Pureheart in

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  hello folks,.

  please dissect this one for me.. *** w97 5/1 29 questions from readers ***.

  questions from readers.

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  the generation whose characterics are marked by the attitudes in the time of the end will not pass away until the end occurs.

  this is true by definition! how could it not be true? its like saying 'the type of people who lived in pompeii before vesuvius erupted are the type of people that lived to see vesuvius erupt.' well duh. why would christ have taken the time to say that something would 'by no means' happen, when it could NOT happen by definition?

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  Evidence of WTBTS bluff on why they became a NGO

  by Kent in

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  2. scandals

  we have on this site the official letter from the watchtower to their different branches about why they became a ngo with the un.

  however, they have earlier given another explanation to one of their members, and that explanation is quite different!.

  here you can read both - and make up your own mind.. .

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  Moxy

  i think this explanation made a hell of a lot more sense, basically, different NGOs are involved with the DPI in different ways and to different degrees and are involvement was not unscriptural, we appeal to governemnts often and it was principally to assist in rendering humantarian aid.

  i dont know why they decided to switch to the 'duh. we had no idea what was going on' defense. they should have stuck with this explanation and continued their registration. id have found that much more palatable.

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  This Generation will not pass away?

  by Pureheart in

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  hello folks,.

  please dissect this one for me.. *** w97 5/1 29 questions from readers ***.

  questions from readers.

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  even among the brothers, i dont think this made any sense to anyone really. what does 'short' mean anymore? 80 years, 90 years sure. but not 'hundreds of years' - o god no. how do you figure? whats the difference?

  and as far as the napolean analogy goes, i think the analogy would be better if you said, 'the soldiers of napoleons generation would see the advent of electrical light.' or 'the soldiers of napoleons generation would not pass away before the advent of electrical light.' now i think a reader would clearly infer a span of time less than a human lifetime, dont you?
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  some 2001 year figures reported on wol

  by expatbrit in

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  not sure of the accuracy: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000129

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  "as intelligence goes up, happiness often goes down. see, i made a graph... i make a lot of graphs."
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  Reference to 2 Maccabees in Hebrews 11?

  by CatholicGuy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hebrews chapter 11 is well-known for its description of the "heroes of faith.

  " after speaking of the most notable figures from the old testament it says:.

  "women received their dead by resurrection; but other men were tortured because they would not accept release by some ransom, in order that they might attain a better resurrection.

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  well, the NWT couldnt really have a cross-reference here since theres nothing to cross-reference to. however, the WT has frequently quoted maccabees favourably, considering it to be reliable but uninspired. also, it has been the position that inspired bible writers probably culled from non-inspired traditions or reference works, validating the information by including it in the inspired canon.

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  some 2001 year figures reported on wol

  by expatbrit in

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  2. friends

  not sure of the accuracy: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000129

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  Moxy

  exactly metatron.

  and whats significant is that it is NOT a sudden one-time thing like when they cross in the late 70's. look at the difference. this is a trend with the full inertia of worldwide statistics of millions of people behind it. very little could be done now to reverse it.

  mox