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Just got Home/Elder Dad just realized I'm Apostate

by MrMoe in

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well, just got back from a big talk with my parents.

i finally let them in on the fact that i question the society.

(dad is an elder and mother has been in it for 67 years since birth.

MrMoe

Thanks for the hugs. My father was so angry he was purple. I just sat there calm until I finally cried and walked out. The wierd thing is, all this has hit me in the last 2 weeks. Yes, a month ago I was convinced it was the "truth." I am scared now, as I am sure the elders will be calling me soon. The thing that really got me was my dad said "I judged and difellowshipped Joe!!!!!!!." (name changed) My dad said those words screaming and purple in the face, said it in that atittude like Moses "I will make you water" and not God. The stupid thing is I never brought this guy up, maybe my dad feels guilty for judging his fellow brother.

Human is right, human like a rabid dog. Human liars, how much is that directed by God?

So...... how long until the elders call me? Man, I'm scared.

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Just got Home/Elder Dad just realized I'm Apostate

by MrMoe in

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well, just got back from a big talk with my parents.

i finally let them in on the fact that i question the society.

(dad is an elder and mother has been in it for 67 years since birth.

MrMoe

Well, just got back from a BIG talk with my parents. I finally let them in on the fact that I question the Society. (Dad is an Elder and mother has been in it for 67 years since birth.)

THE BIG BLOWOUT
My dad the elder said he has the right to judge and (bringing up some poor guy I know who's wife hates him cause he was df'd for smoking)my dad the elder said he judged this person unrepentant even though he was in tears because he could not quit. He said it would spot the congregation same as a pregnant woman with "her belly out to here." Pardon me for being unchristian, but my dad is an asshole.

We brought up everything from oral sex to 1975. At first my dad said the WT never said 75. Then I pulled out hte bound volume 1968 Awake! and Boom -- there it was. Then he finally admitted it and said "It's OK to be human." I said was ita prophecy and after very heated words he owned up to it. Then I said was it false and he after more heated words said yes. Tehn he says again, THEY ARE NOT FALSE PROPHETS, JUST HUMAN!!!!!!!!! What a crock.

Anyhow, probably this is it. I am sure an elder will be calling me soon. I will tell more about it all later when I cool off. My dad called me an apostate. Man, this is it. What do I do now?

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An elder struggles

by Dogpatch in

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this is on my site as listed at the end:.

between love and me its late night.

i have just been to another elder meeting, as we used to do.

MrMoe

Would like to say first of all what you said are my sentiments exactally. You cannot combat wrong with hate. Jesus said to turn teh other cheek and that can be really tough sometimes.

Betrayal brings out all types of emotions, one being bitterness and hatred, and that usually comes after denial. Do the next step is acceptance.

Yes, we were all part of that, then. But.... we have all moved on, let's make ourseleves better for it. Don't let them win by having that "Apostate" personality that they label us with. If we left for the real truth and it was true knowlede that we were seeking, then let's act like true Christians.

Get upset with me if you like, but I have been angry, too. It is hard not to. I was lied to and was told what clothes I could wear and what movies to watch and who to date and not to date and who I could speak with even within the congregation.

Face it - they are wrong, and we all know it. So let's not be angry, instead infiltrate, help them, they way Randy's Web site helped me. Let's be here for eachother, becasue nobody else knows what we are going through- except for us.

MrMoe

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A Discussion With An "Anointed" Elder

by Defender in

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an elder from my congregation visits my wife and i whenever he is in the area.

it has been a while since his last visit.

he used to come in uninvited and unexpected.

MrMoe

Just a side note:

Time is never wasted on telling the real truth, elder or unbaptized publisher. Many elders become ex-elders.

Also, excellent line of reasoning, I also agree with your comments and that JW's are alot like Catholics. The religious leaders in Jesus day did have the truth, and what good did it do them?

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A Fun Excercise

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ahhh, the book of revelations, how complex it is.

i have a wonderful exercise that really helps me and is a lot of fun.

first pray to jehovah for understanding and to make your eyes see.

MrMoe

I am glad it helped and although your wife did not see it, did you show by directly reading from the Revelation book? Although, a true JW is not to question the Governing Body or WTBS, the more direct conflicting eveidence the better. I am right now in the middle of some heavy research and trying to find anything I can that is conflicting and as I find them I will post it. Just look at the new Watchtower (got it in the mail yesterday and read it more now than when I as a JW) and I thought it was really interesting how it said all other religions cause divisions! What a crock, they have divided many homes and friends, trust me on this one, it is really hard to be thought as dead by people you love. How is that for brotherly love?! The JW's hate the Catholics for being wrong in the past, but look at them! I will keep you posted. :)

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1975..What Happened...

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what happened in 1975?

was it the witnesses idea or the society?

if it was the idea of the people in the congregation, then where did the idea come from?.

MrMoe

Oops-Charles Taze Russell said the world would end in 1914, not in 1975. Sorry about that. Either way, he predicted a date. what a shame.

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A Fun Excercise

by MrMoe in

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ahhh, the book of revelations, how complex it is.

i have a wonderful exercise that really helps me and is a lot of fun.

first pray to jehovah for understanding and to make your eyes see.

MrMoe

The Alpha nad the Omega was what I was taught as a JW was God Jehovah, so htis brought a whole new outlook for me, when I finished reading the bible! What a true Revelation and reward! And the point of Jesus sending an angel as a witness leads me to believe... So are the other parts of the bible that say Jehovah is the Alpha and the Omega suposed to read as such and verify the trinity once and for all, or was the bible altered and the last chapter accidentally left out? Either way, this scripture is what made me see the error of my ways.

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1975..What Happened...

by MrMoe in

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what happened in 1975?

was it the witnesses idea or the society?

if it was the idea of the people in the congregation, then where did the idea come from?.

MrMoe

What happened in 1975? Was it the witnesses idea or the society? If it was the idea of the people in the congregation, then where did the idea come from?

This is an exact quote from the 1966 October 8th Issue of the Awake! Under the article how much longer will it be? under the subheading "6,000 years completed in 1975"

"In what year, then, would the first 6,000 year's of man's exisitence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. This is worthy of notice, particularly in view of the fact thatthe "last days" began in 1914, and that the physical facts of our day fulfillment of prophecy mark this as the last generation of theis wicked world. So we can expect the immediate future filled with thrilling events for those who rest thier faith in God and his promises."

The 1966 Kingdom Ministry said " Never have we felt the nearess of Armageddon and the urgency of our work as we do now."

Does this point to the year 1975? How would you take that statement? I know how I would! And they claim they never said 1975! What a lie!

Note Charles Taze Russell said the world would end in 1975 and Armageddon would come. In the 1968 Awake, October 8th I quote,

"...in times past who predicted an "end of the world," even announcing a specific date.... Yet nothing happened. The "end" did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying."

Now ask as Christian, ask your self, what does Jesus say about false prophets?

See Article called What about 1975? By Alan Feuerbacher

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What is wrong with you people!

by larc in

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hello brothers and sisters,.

i just can't understand what is wrong with you, and why you have fallen away.

dear brother russell got this whole thing started.

MrMoe

Wonderful Mr. Russell got his dates from the Pyramid of Giza, and I have his book to prove it. The date 1914 originated with divination and the Egyptian Pyramids. Interesting fact. He was what some would call a false prophet, not just someone who made a mistake. What does Jesus say about those who name dates? "I never knew you, workers of lawlessness." I am many of my brothers and sisters have been tossed about and thrown like sheep without a shepherd, including you. Pray to God for guidance and to read the bible for yourself.

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A Fun Excercise

by MrMoe in

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ahhh, the book of revelations, how complex it is.

i have a wonderful exercise that really helps me and is a lot of fun.

first pray to jehovah for understanding and to make your eyes see.

MrMoe

Ahhh, the book of Revelations, how complex it is. I have a wonderful exercise that really helps me and is a lot of fun. First pray to Jehovah for understanding and to make your eyes see. Next, read Revelation 22:16 and note it is Jesus speaking in the last chapter of Revelation. Now, scroll up verse 13 and read straight through verse 16 without stopping. Did you see what I saw? Now note, Jesus sent his angel to bear witness and recall what was said in verse 13. Is that not an interesting excercise! Thought it was fun and I should share. :)

Your Brother Moe