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  Quit being apostates and give me some real advice

  by AwSnap in

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  ok, my subject is totally joking, but i really do need some advice.

  i purchased a $7 dollar keychain digital picture viewer from ebay.

  it arrived in the mail, i uploaded a bunch of pictures....and then realized its a piece of crap.

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  fugue

  I say send it. If your niece develops a relationship with you when she's older, you will be able to honestly say: "I tried to stay in touch with you." Don't give up. That's my opinion.
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  This is making the witness email rounds...Anyone believe them?

  by Botzwana in

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  does jehovah know what is going on, and does he help?.

  (as told by bro.

  spangenberg, c.o.

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  In Florida, a Hall building was delayed, because the basement hadn't been back filled and the brothers had no means to do so. While the inspectors were at the site, a bulldozer showed up, did the job, and drove off. He told his boss he'd finished the job at the Hall. The boss replied, "'Hall'!? I told you to go to the 'mall!'" The job was done at No expense to the brothers.

  So god caused a miracle to happen so that this congregation could get free backfilling done. Yet god ignores the prayers of people who are sick and dying of cancer. No miracles for them. Or when a child is kidnapped, like Jaycee Dugard, and held prisoner for 18 years, being raped and abused. Throughout those 18 years, God ignored hundreds or even thousands of prayers from her devastated parents, and possibly prayers from her, to please help her get out and go back to her parents. He ignores millions... BILLIONS of prayers from people who have life-or-death problems that they're facing.

  But the one prayer he answers is from a congregation in Florida who wants to get free backfilling done at their hall.

  Yeah. Right. Uh huh.

  If this were true and it actually WAS a case of god providing a miracle to this congregation, when he ignores the pleas of hundreds of millions of people worldwide, I would say: Fuck you, God. I hope you burn in hell.
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  Bro. Lett (Governing Body) borrowed illustration from an outspoken WT critic

  by fugue in

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  2. beliefs

  we're discussing this over on jwr:.

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12805.

  a jdub has posted a video of a talk that stephen lett, a member of the governing body, just gave at a special assembly day in iowa.

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  The next time Lett wants to borrow some lines from John Ankerberg, maybe he could get it from Ankerberg's flyer, "Free Jehovah's Witnesses", available here:

  http://www.jashow.org/uncategorized/free-jehovahs-witness-flyer/
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  Bro. Lett (Governing Body) borrowed illustration from an outspoken WT critic

  by fugue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we're discussing this over on jwr:.

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12805.

  a jdub has posted a video of a talk that stephen lett, a member of the governing body, just gave at a special assembly day in iowa.

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  Hmmm, good catch on the pinkie ring. I hadn't noticed it. When I was an elder, I went through a phase where I wore one. One time after I got off of the stage, an older elder asked me why I wore a pinky ring. I said I just like it. He said that he and another elder had discussed it, and it was stumbling some in the congregation, so they requested that I stop wearing it.
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  1914 - 2014 ,,,when the ( truth about the truth ) will be seen by all.

  by witchtowerwitch in

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  jesus said in the gospels: when you see jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies then the appointed time of the gentiles has arrived,so it wasn't the first attack in 587 bce.

  but jesus said the words,,,,"will be,points to the 2nd attack in about the year 70 ad.

  ,yes into the future people"!so the idiots that dreamt up 607 bce.

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  The GB knows that 1914 is a problem. I went through the CD ROM and found that 1914 is being mentioned less often in Watchtower literature.

  

  

  
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  Yearbook 2011 bags this Site!!! Internet full of lies....but Faithful slave writters use UNIVERSITY libraries with 5 million books???

  by Witness 007 in

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  yearbook 2011 p.9,10 "the spiritual food like physical food needs to be well prepared....the writting department follows the pattern of "tracing all things with accuracy.

  } while the internet is a quick source of information, our researchers don't rely on blogs or poorly documented web entries {you guys} written by unidentified or unqualified persons.

  {or everyone on this site!!

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  Did Stephen Lett "follow the pattern of tracing all things with accuracy" when he decided to borrow his illustration from an evangelist who calls Witnesses "false teachers" and "unchristian"?

  Silly Governing Body. They should hang out on sites like this one if they want to REALLY learn the truth about their own religion.
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  Bro. Lett (Governing Body) borrowed illustration from an outspoken WT critic

  by fugue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we're discussing this over on jwr:.

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12805.

  a jdub has posted a video of a talk that stephen lett, a member of the governing body, just gave at a special assembly day in iowa.

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  His tone and manner, is like he's trying to talk to elementary students..

  Oh he is incredibly condescending with his manner of speaking. The way he talks reminds me of the way a parent talks to a pre-verbal baby, especially when trying to teach the baby how to form words. You open your mouth really wide, you use exaggerated animation in your face, you draw out the vowel sounds, you make silly faces to keep the baby's attention focused on your face. That's exactly how Lett talks.

  I put together a fun compilation of images from the video. The many faces of Stephen Lett:

  
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  Bro. Lett (Governing Body) borrowed illustration from an outspoken WT critic

  by fugue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we're discussing this over on jwr:.

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12805.

  a jdub has posted a video of a talk that stephen lett, a member of the governing body, just gave at a special assembly day in iowa.

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  We're discussing this over on JWR:

  http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12805

  A jdub has posted a video of a talk that Stephen Lett, a member of the Governing Body, just gave at a Special Assembly Day in Iowa. He gave an illustration at the end of it, which I've transcribed here:

  Have you ever really wondered how long forever is? Let me just give you a little illustration to help us appreciate how long forever is, which is the prize for those that do jehovah's will. Now you've got to have a lot of imagination for this. I want you to imagine the Grand Canyon. Huge, vast. You walk to the edge, it makes you dizzy. You look down, the Colorado River looks like a little trickle going through there, but really it's a big, rushing, rolling river. You're so far away that it looks small in the distance. Now imagine that a little tiny parakeet goes to a beach in Florida and gets one tiny individual grain of sand in its beak. He flies back over the middle of the Grand Canyon and drops it in the Grand Canyon. Now another parakeet does this, ten thousand years later... takes a piece of sand and drops it in the Grand Canyon. This process is repeated over and over again... one grain of sand every ten thousand years. Now you can imagine how long it would take to fill up a teaspoon. But when that process is repeated over and over again, until the Grand Canyon is totally filled... in fact, it's not only filled... there are huge mountains where the Grand Canyon used to be. There's snow in the top of these mountains. People are skiing out of the top of these mountains. (Audience laughs.) When that happens... forever has just barely begun. (Laughter.) Now I probably gave you a headache. (More laughter.) But don't miss that prize of everlasting life.

  Someone on JWR did a simple Google search for "parakeet sand forever"... and found that Lett borrowed his parakeet illustration from the book Ministry Is...: How to Serve Jesus with Passion and Confidence by Dave Earley and Ben Gutierrez.

  Dr. Dave Earley is currently is Chairman of the Department of Pastoral Ministries and Church Expansion at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary.(ww.liberty.edu/academics/religion/seminary/ He also serves as Director of the Center for Ministry Training at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, and the Director of the Center for Church Planting of Liberty University. (www.liberty.edu/cmt)

  Ben Gutierrez is Administrative Dean for Undergraduate Programs at Liberty University, a private Christian university located in Lynchburg, Virginia.

  Here is the quote from their book:

  John Ankerberg illustrates eternity by comparing it to the efforts of a parakeet to move sand!. Let's say you commanded a parakeet to pick up a single grain of sand in its beak, fly to the moon, and drop it off. Let's say it takes one million years for the parakeet to get to the moon. He puts the grain of sand down and flies back to earth. It takes a million years for him to get back. Let's say that the little bird systematically transferred one grain at a time all the sand from the beaches and deserts of all the earth until there was not even one grain of sand left on the earth. If you could add up all of the millions of years it had taken to remove all of the sand from all of those places, eternity would just be beginning.'
  Eternity is a long time. Live for God. As you serve the Lord, you are making investments that will last forever. Therefore, don't give up! If you could only see it from God's point of view, you would know that ministry will be worth it all.

  So the real source of the illustration is John Ankerberg. He may sound familiar to some of you.

  From Wikipedia:

  John Ankerberg (born December 10, 1945) is an American Christian evangelist and TV presenter. He is an ordained minister and has written 91 books focusing on religious subjects. He is the producer and host of the nationally televised weekly half-hour program The John Ankerberg Show.

  If you're like me, you've watched just about everything on YouTube relating to Jehovah's Witnesses. If you've dug deeply enough into YouTube, you've come across the name John Ankerberg.

  John Ankerberg has done several documentary shows that are highly critical of Jehovah's Witnesses. His documentaries call Jehovah's Witnesses's teaching "false" and unchristian. He has done shows where he interviews apostates, and on at least one of his shows, he even plays clips of Ray Franz speaking critically of the watchtower.

  Just go to YouTube and enter "John Ankerberg Jehovah's Witnesses" and you'll have your choice of several anti-JW videos.

  So... putting all of this together:

  Governing Body member Stephen Lett gave a talk in which he illustrated the concept of "forever" by using a parakeet carrying a grain of sand in its beak. Lett changed the illustration to have the parakeet bringing the sand to the Grand Canyon. But the illustration orginated with John Ankerberg, someone who has been outspokenly critical of the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses and who made programs that featured apostates speaking against the Watchtower.

  So... where did Lett get the illustration? Did he read the book by Earley and Gutierrez? Surely if that's where he saw it, he would have recognized the name "John Ankerberg." Or did Lett get it from watching, reading, or listening to Ankerberg himself? Or did Lett just hear it thirdhand from someone else, without knowing that it originated with Ankerberg?

  In any case, the fact that Governing Body member Stephen Lett is using illustrations that originated with an evangelist who is openly critical of the Watchtower and is a friend of apostates... to me, this tells me a lot about the way the Governing Body works. They lead their members to believe that they are receiving their information directly from God himself, via holy spirit. But in reality, they're just borrowing material from whatever religious sources they can find.

  For anyone who wants to watch Lett's talk, it's here:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlQDbkVoEfk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  The Ankerberg/parakeet illustration is in the last two or three minutes of the talk.
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  Watchtower view of logic

  by Steve Mc in

  1. watchtower
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  the watchtower's position on logic and truth is basically that there are two logics (god's and man's) and two truths (god's and man's).

  this position makes knowledge impossible (especially knowledge of god) and allows the society to contradict itself with impunity.. read my letter to the society:.

  http://watchingthetower.blogspot.com/2009/05/letter-to-christian-congregation-of.html.

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  I love this exchange of letters with the watchtower society about the flood. After being completely defeated by a very logically presented argument, they terminated the conversation with: "We suggest that you let the matter rest, and perhaps in time something more will be published to clarify matters."

  Watchtower's approach to logical arguments: When you can't support your argument and defend your position to someone who is challenging you, just tell them to shut up.
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  Is the May 2012 KM pumping up some hysteria?

  by discreetslave in

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  1)as sheep amidst wolves, gods servants are preaching among a crooked and twisted generation.

  (matt.

  10:16; phil.

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  Does anyone have a download link for the May 2012 KM? As an apostate, I feel it is important to keep my theocratic library up-to-date.