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  MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

  by hawkaw in

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  as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

  and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

  after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

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  Hawk,

  Yes - thanks. I already sent him a jpeg of the letter.

  Now where is that check? :-)
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  MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

  and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

  after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

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  Damn!!!

  So now the WT will likely lose some tax privileges in certain countries. Then they will ask the R&F for more money and my family will gladly give more of my beautiful money that I earned through my devotion to materialism.

  I think Hawk needs to send me a check to make up the difference to my future lifestyle.
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  Help!! I am extremely confused.

  by Leander in

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  i'm at a definite crossroad in my life right now and i don't know which direction to turn.. for my entire life i've been taught to believe in one thing but now i'm seeing things that i never knew where there before.

  i find it very disturbing that there has been so many predictions the wts has made in the past that failed to come true.

  also the bouncing back and forth on certain doctrines make me question my beliefs.. but on the other hand i can't ignore things like the fact the organization is growing while other religions are on the decline.

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  re 1975: "That's not totally true, they did publish a short 'apology' of sorts, but all it does is blame the rank and file for the error and not themselves. I forgot the exact issue date and page."

  The piece you refer to is embedded in the end of a paragraph n a yearbook. Thats a joke - not an apology.
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  Help!! I am extremely confused.

  by Leander in

  1. jw
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  i'm at a definite crossroad in my life right now and i don't know which direction to turn.. for my entire life i've been taught to believe in one thing but now i'm seeing things that i never knew where there before.

  i find it very disturbing that there has been so many predictions the wts has made in the past that failed to come true.

  also the bouncing back and forth on certain doctrines make me question my beliefs.. but on the other hand i can't ignore things like the fact the organization is growing while other religions are on the decline.

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  Leander,

  something to think about:

  I have reached the same crossroad many times in the last few months. Then I move away from it and come back. "Just take it slow" was the advice given to me and it has been so helpful.

  Take it easy - just cut back in the amount of time you want to invest in running around after an agenda you are unsure of. Take time out for yourself - an unspecified amount of time and just try to feel your way around.

  Specifically to your points:
  "But on the other hand I can't ignore things like the fact the organization is growing while other religions are on the decline. "

  Thats not true any more. Look at the declines in the western world. Wait till January and look at the service report. Look at the pioneer hours - they cut them by 35% and guess what? No significant rise in the number of pioneers.

  "JW's have learned many things about the bible that other religions don't know". I used to think that too - until I started questioning the Bible it self. Take Noahs Flood - you think that whole episode makes sense? Revisit the issue of universal sovreignty and free will.....they seem logical to you? Just start one issue at a time. Do the research!! Its fun and its freeing.

  Your current research on 607 is a good point. While doing it think about the implications. If the society is incorrect on 607 then 1914 does not fit the prophecy; if 1914 is wrong then so is 1919 and then the Faitful and Discreet Slave - oh boy. Finally if they are not the faithful and discreet slave then how can you believe anything they say?

  The reprint issue: an example: look at the 1989 watchtower January 1. Page 12 paragraph 8. The individual magazine when it was published said the preaching work would be "completed in our 20th century". When it was bound - that phrase was changed to "in our day". There is an original scan available from Alan or Kent of the individual magazine.

  Your final point: Yes they lie!! Look at issues like the voting issue; Look at the blood issue and their deceit in Bulgaria; Look at the UN issue right now; Look at the "new light" concept. Some of their teachings costs people their freedom and their lives. Then they just change it and move to a "new light" stance - one which would have alllowed people to stay alive if they had that viewpoint to start with. You ever seen an apology for the fact that their OLD teachings cost people their lives or their freedom? I haven't - and it cost me in this regard. You ever seen an apology for 1975? Me neither. We could go on for pages and pages.

  Leander, Take your time.
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  MAJOR MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS - PART 2 - BREAKING HARD

  by hawkaw in

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  flash - major breaking!!!!!!!.

  i just talked to paul hoeffel 1:35pm - he phoned me.. okay people.

  i can now confirm that the watchtower has provided a letter in writing to dpi indicating that the wts has "disassociated" themselves from dpi - ie the wts has made it offical that they have quit.. i can also confirm that the wts has been updating dpi regularily as they are suppose to over the last 10 years.. i can also can say that something is in the works that i can disclose by hopeflly tomorrow.

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  One more chance - a little bird told me

  The information brochures and directories which are printed and published by the DPI have ALREADY been printed for 2002.

  This was true before Satans Slut decided to snap her legs shut.

  The WT will be listed IN PRINT as an NGO for another year in the UN literature. Obtain such copies if you can.
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  Anyone here ever use a colon cleanser?

  by Leander in

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  i've read an article or two where it speaks about the need to use a colon cleanser between 2-4 times a year.

  so what i'm trying to do is find which is the best one to use.

  any suggestions?

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  yeah, Thomas Poole is cleansing colon all over the place. The shit is spewing forth from every orifice...

  Try giving yourslef a coffee enema - its a huge buzz!! (PS use cold coffee)
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  MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

  by hawkaw in

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  as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

  the dpi is now taking them off the list.

  the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

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  JBean - I agree with Mav. Printouts can easily be fake. You can change the web address on a printout with about 5 mouseclicks.

  The only hope now is for the UN to issue a press release or for it to get into mainstream media.

  Otherwise this issue is over.
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  You Know, and then the end will come

  by joelbear in

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  matthew 24:14. jesus says, this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth, for a witness, and then the end will come.. this work only done by jehovah's witnesses for about 125 years approximately.

  they have 6 million preachers concentrated in mostly 20 countries.. lets say they have preached it in all of north america, which is still debatable since there are still a large segment of people who have no really clear idea of what witnesses believe "the good news" is.. even so, just in china and india there are 2 billion human beings who have probably never been preached to even once.

  add bangladesh, iran, iraq, saudi arabia, etc and you have at least another billion with the population in these hard to reach countries continuously growing.. how can the end come before jesus's prophecy comes true.

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  There are some major contradictions here:

  (excuse the round numbers)

  Today there are 6 million jws
  Today there are 6 billion people on earth

  Let's say the "end" comes in 10 years time (when is irrelevant - in fact as we will see the longer the worse the argument gets)

  So in 10 years lets say:
  - there will be 7.5 million jws
  - there will be 7.5 billion people on earth

  JWS grew by 1.5 million. Humanity grew by 1.5 BILIION. The difference is 1.485 billion people that have been born into this "old wicked system of things" - all so that JWs could increade by 1.5 million people. Now in 10 years God would have to destroy 1,498,500,000 extra people.

  If he is a "God of love" and if it is true that "he doesn't desire any to be destroyed" then surely it would have made sense long ago to bring the "end". At the rate in which humaity is outgrowing jws the preaching work will NEVER be finished.

  Am I completely fucking crazy?
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  MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

  the dpi is now taking them off the list.

  the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

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  NGO = Not Gods Organization
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  MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

  the dpi is now taking them off the list.

  the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

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  Hawk - whatever the outcome - thanks so much for your efforts. We all appreciate the lenght you have had to go to.