Posts by cptkirk

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any thoughts on this?

by cptkirk in

i was just thinking to myself about how many %$% ups the jw/wt crew make, whether on personal levels, or on doctrinal levels.

it seems like whenever stuff like this happens, whether it's trivial or really they botch something major, the answer is always just, "more field service, or pray more".

what about the countless victims they have accrued?

does this not at the very least show those in this organization who seem like honest sincere people....does this at the very least not show these people that your entire organization is working off of a false premise? and a false foundation? and you can stomach that? you can stomach going around telling people you are teaching them the truth, while you know your entire religion is working off a false premise? i welcome any real jw lurking here, to tell me how any honest human being could do this and remain just that, an honest person?

it's either one or the other. it's either god wants the society to be run as a respectable responsible society. OR god wants you to just pray more and keeps a hands off approach to all of this criminal activity. it's not both. both = lie. both = cognitive dissonance. god is perfect, both = imperfect. you are teaching lies, packaged in truth, period.

there is no half justice. if the us govt. just took 10-15% of criminals and dealt with them in the courts and prison system, then left the other 85% up to god...guess where society would be? crumbling under no structure.

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any thoughts on this?

by cptkirk in

i was just thinking to myself about how many %$% ups the jw/wt crew make, whether on personal levels, or on doctrinal levels.

it seems like whenever stuff like this happens, whether it's trivial or really they botch something major, the answer is always just, "more field service, or pray more".

what about the countless victims they have accrued?

cptkirk

i was just thinking to myself about how many %$% ups the jw/wt crew make, whether on personal levels, or on doctrinal levels. it seems like whenever stuff like this happens, whether it's trivial or really they botch something major, the answer is always just, "more field service, or pray more". what about the countless victims they have accrued? and i'd guess 9 times out of 10 the victims never get an apology, nothing. whether they are a victim of botched doctrine, or molestation, wife beating, "marking", whatever on and on and on and on and on and on....

i'm not making this post just because i'm bored, i actually have a lot of work to do. i'm really trying to figure out the morality of all this. the countless victims whatever category they fit in to, 9 times out of 10 these people do not get any kind of apology right? or anything for that matter right? those who victimized these people, are never accountable to those that they victimized? they just "do more field service, or pray more"....

i'm trying to wrap my head around this...i can't. does this make any sense to any sane human being?

if i was molested while "worshipping god"...and i stop going to meetings....nobody ever says sorry to me, nothing. i am just expected to go back to the meetings on my own, hoping that the person that molested me did more hours in service?

or if someone spread lies about me in the congregation because of jealousy or whatever the case might be...and i stop going to meetings...i'm supposed to just go back to meetings expecting that those involved just prayed more?

how does this sound like anything other than cult behavior?

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Outright Misrepresentations of Quotes and Citations in Watchtower Literature

by Londo111 in

the research of doug mason, annomaly, and others have been eye opening in regards to the society's recent articles on 607 bc.

what i find most disturbing is the misrepresentations of scholars, who are quoted in such a way to say one thing, when they meant something completely different.

it is one thing to teach a doctrine, and quite another to play fast and loose with the truth.

cptkirk

if you look at their own book, think it's called "all scripture inspired" it's blue. it quotes caesar in regard to "crucifying" people....as a means to add veracity to their writings? why the hell would you quote a first century caesar talking about crucifixion, if your whole stance is that it was a stake? it should be under "acts" in that inspired book. it goes on to say something about some egregious sect called christians were irritating everyone, so caesar blamed some of the fires in rome on them, and then had them all crucified. was a fun place to live i heard.

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What's your view on who REALLY are the "mentally diseased" apostates?

by Fernando in

religion allows us to know the "god of religion".. .

the unabridged gospel/bissar/injeel allows us to know the "god of abraham".. .

know = be intimate with (spiritual union or intercourse).

cptkirk

the scriptures give a very simplistic outline of what a true christian is. to follow christ and be christ-like is to: suffer evil, take care of people who are weak, do the work of an evangelizer (open to interpretation). there were many people christ approved of that were obviously not bangin on doors. to me this means someone that stands up and speaks when something is wrong. evangelize in the sense that someone is being mistreated and you speak out and or teach against the inequity).

that's it, that sums up the whole christianity thing. it was supposed to be simple so that stupid people wouldn't be left out right?

WT doesn't do any of this. they preach, but they preach what? that you become enslaved to their *very complicated* (and ever changing) interpretations.

they don't suffer evil either. especially the elders and basically the hierarchy. they may suffer, just like any other jerk suffers. they don't suffer because they are being wronged, and that they are turning the other cheek (the sad thing is, they are usually the instrument causing the kind of harm on people THAT JESUS WAS TRYING TO PROTECT PEOPLE AGAINST IN THE FIRST PLACE. ie. all this judicial bullshit, shunning, now their new term they are marking people?

take care of the weak? the various jw's i've been around from different areas are basically the same...if you got cancer, they expect you knocking on doors...these people aren't empathetic people.

it's pretty simple. the jw organization is clearly an apostate organization.

can you imagine if people at the doors knew that they sent the sick out in service? the people at the door are probably like wow you are really dedicated, you are sick and yet you find this so important? not realizing they are probably doing it because they are scared to death they will be shunned by an organization that has forced them to cut-off all their other relationships, ie. leaving them completely isolated and dying...what choice do they have?

it's pretty simple. the jw organization is clearly an apostate organization.

I might be mentally diseased.....if so, then how much worse does it sound if a mentally diseased person such as myself, can in a few sentences dismantle your entire religion?

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Im a mormon

by deservingone26 in

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friends

im a mormon now and have been one for the last 3 months.

at first i really liked it but now i am starting to have 2nd thoughts, i grew up as a jehovahs witness and was disfellowshiped at 19 i really started to look for a new church in july of this year.

i started out in a christian church which i really liked but i didnt understand the jesus as god thing/trinity.

cptkirk

opiate of the masses.

-karl marx

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heh...no idea how i just found this..

by cptkirk in

wasn't even looking for something like this, was just looking for some good metal music to listen to while i did my college work.

"he was raised a jw" he says.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwdbiajbebk.

cptkirk

you guys are more fired up than normal. i think my point was coincidences happen, more than i am a god.

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heh...no idea how i just found this..

by cptkirk in

wasn't even looking for something like this, was just looking for some good metal music to listen to while i did my college work.

"he was raised a jw" he says.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwdbiajbebk.

cptkirk

for whatever it's worth, to mustaine, and anyone else. when i was in high school, and a few years after (late teens, early 20s)...there were some dudes that messed with me...(they didn't know each other, they were from different areas at different times)...well one of them got into a car accident and is now basically retarded for the rest of his life. (from brain damage). the other guy had a stroke while at his computer, and half his body is just done. there were other individuals that messed with me a little bit here and there (regular kid stuff) that are also really messed up now in asylums etc. i never put any hexes on these guys, this just happened naturally. for whatever that is worth.

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heh...no idea how i just found this..

by cptkirk in

wasn't even looking for something like this, was just looking for some good metal music to listen to while i did my college work.

"he was raised a jw" he says.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwdbiajbebk.

cptkirk

wasn't even looking for something like this, was just looking for some good metal music to listen to while i did my college work. "he was raised a jw" he says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwDbiajBEbk

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The world is passing away but He that does the will of God remains forever - 1Jo. 2:17

by mankkeli in

this was taken from the watchtower 1975, august 15. paragraphs 12&13.

12 resources and abilities that we might possess should be used to advance kingdom interests, rather than letting them serve as hindrances in the race for life.

for instance, if you have an extra house, could you sell it and use the money to enter the pioneer service instead of working hard to maintain both houses?

cptkirk

mankeli why don't you just stop flirting with the full psychosis ethos, and just GO FOR IT! we got who on here? larsinger...few others can't think of their names. dude just PM these guys, they ARE WAITING FOR YOU BRO...trust me, once you find out there are like-minded people out there with you, you will feel SO MUCH better about life in general. so just stop flirting on the fence, and go the distance...send larsinger and the other master occult new world order dudes some pm's and move on. right now you are just playing with a un-erect penis hoping for orgasm, you have to take the next step so you can really get your pecker in full bore. THE ALL SEEING EYE AWAITS YOU!

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What was your most DISTURBING event as an elder ? (Per T.O.S. no full names please).

by Balaamsass in

i'll start the ball rolling.

dealing with kids in any type of judicial manner.

i would do everything i could to get parents to "deal with it-kindly" at home.

cptkirk

to the OP. think about what you're saying. you a human were able to use some reasoning abilities, and figure out that the child was "acting out" probably due to some situation he didn't know how to deal with. maybe kids were pushing him around at school something of this nature. but the GB are in essence saying jehovah is not able to figure this out, because they are under the direction of his holy spirit. LOL i almost can't type this is just so stupid....so you can figure this out, you can also probably enact some contact with the child to help him, and hence he stops the behavior, and has a loving empathetic ending. but the gb is saying god can't figure that out. god's holy spirit is telling you and body of elders to disfellowship him, so as to add insult to injury to the poor child. at what point are people going to wake up en masse to this scam?