* http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=21&t=000024
[JanG wrote: The big difference being that the church teaches only those who reject God, (not an organizational line) who are truly wicked, will go to hell.]
My point is that they get so much delight out of the prospect of those people going to hell. And it really isn't just for those who reject God. It's for anyone who is wicked. There are lots of wicked people who claim to know God, Jesus, etc. They are judging people and relegating them to hellfire just like the dubs do with Armageddon.
* http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=21&t=000024
It made me think of the way people in churches use the idea of hellfire. I agree, this was really disgusting. So glad I'm out.
suspect in alaskan school stabbings ignores judge.
anchorage, alaska, may 8 (reuters) - a man arrested for allegedly slashing the throats of four anchorage children outside their school refused to answer a judge's questions at a court hearing on tuesday, then urged onlookers to kill themselves and their children.
jason pritchard, 33, was arraigned in state superior court on four charges of attempted murder and four charges of first-degree assault.
I agree with Naeblis on a couple of things. His association with the JW's probably didn't make him this way, but it sure does attract the weirdos. The thing is, they always say they make people like this normal again. The scenario, is that the crazy people are the needy ones, and some people not crazy, are also very needy. They are the ones who are attracted to cults. Why not make it known? Let them all sweat a little. BIG DEAL!!! Get over it.
hello all, registered just to post this and see what you all had to say about this.
i, for one, am in shock.
it was anounced today on "extra" and they said we would soon see a change in his music because he was "marrying his music to his religion.
I have a JW friend, who actually still talks to me, and she and her husband were also studied with by Larry Graham. They now live in the Seattle area, near me. I see her all the time at the Costco where she works, so will ask if she knows about this. I have to add this though: Why is he so popular? I don't like his music! But there are lots of artists I don't like, but for the life of me, I just don't see the appeal with this guy. I don't like Bjork either!
even when i was a dyed in the wool jw, there were a few things that never made any sense whatsoever to me.
like most dubs, i glossed over them, here's my top 3 doubts during my period of dubdom, doubts that were never resolved:.
"all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching".
Yeah! Lot's daughters. That one is too puzzling. Thanks for the reminder, Venice. Another one is Solomon threatening to cut a baby in half. I posted this on H20 a long time back. That one is really sick, and not terribly wise in my opinion. I pasted those pages together in the Bible Stories Book so my little ones wouldn't see it. (The Abraham sacrificing Isaac page also)
even when i was a dyed in the wool jw, there were a few things that never made any sense whatsoever to me.
like most dubs, i glossed over them, here's my top 3 doubts during my period of dubdom, doubts that were never resolved:.
"all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching".
My big issue is Abraham sacrificing Isaac. There is no way, EVER, EVER, EVER, I would even consider doing such a thing to one of my children!!! Or anyone else for that matter. How are we supposed to believe that Abraham was going to do it? Don't anyone tell me he DIDN'T do it!! That argument has been crammed into me for years. The point is, he was going to do it. Or was he? Did that happen.... or is it an allegory? Or a fable.
Another one of those things that just don't make sense.
recently,i noticed that some teenagers and "weak" publishers.
weren't actually shunning my step-daughter.
i warned her to meet.
I live in the Seattle area and have a good source for JW information. She hasn't told me anything like this recently, from assemblies, but at the KH she goes to, they are lining up to target us now, for apostasy. Can I use your laugh, Venice? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!! And the source of all the information they have on us? MY MOTHER!!! So maybe there has been letters from the Society on this issue. My friend keeps telling her elder husband, that there have been no announcements about us, so she will keep seeing me, because she isn't a mind reader. He is an elder, and told her to keep on keeping on!! Cool, eh? By the way, Mom told me about two weeks ago, that she cannot have unconditional love for me because I am an apostate. But she sure takes our money, and anything else we offer her.
i thought that it might be fun to have a "my most embarrassing moment" competition.
if the thread takes off, first, second and third places will receive a prize guaranteed to be of no monetary value whatsoever!
so, i've had to give a lot of thought to exactly what was my most embarrassing moment as a jw.. was it as a 12 year old child travelling on the london underground, whilst being forced to wear a label that shouted in lurid purple: "gods kingdom rules!
Here's a good one!! When I was about 13, I raised my hand at the book study and asked "What is circumcision?" I knew I shouldn't have asked when the conductor stumbled all over himself, and finally said I should ask my father. When I found out what it meant, I about died, I was so embarrassed. The topic was circumcision of the heart. They never did answer that one. ;)
my mind was wandering last night and i started thinking about the way 'faithful' jws issue blanket condemnations.
i wondered if it's a personality thing that is just reinforced by the jw mantra of "we're always right and we're the only true religion etc.
" or if it's a jw or other fundy religious phenomenon.. here's two examples, feel free to add your own.. when i was about 17, i started visiting nyc regularly, and attending different congregations (wow!
I grew up a JW, and had an extremely close family, all JW's, grandparent's, aunt, cousins, etc. In my grandparent's cong., the Theocratic School servant (overseer) was an older man from Scotland, and very old fashioned. His rules of dress, for the school, were: No sleeveless blouses for the sisters, fuller skirts only (they covered the knees when you sat), the sisters couldn't use microphones because they had to be counseled on volume (if you had a mike, why need that counsel?), etc. The brothers had the same counsel, but they got to use the microphone. ??? Seems like there were more, but I can't remember. My cousin was in that congregation, and we argued all the time about that being his opinion, or right from New York. We went to the same KH, different congregation. She was appalled at the way I dressed for my talks. My grandmother would sit and chuckle. She was really old fashioned too, but she knew the score, all right.
It's funny too, that back in the 50's and early 60's we NEVER had morning meetings on Sundays, because that was what the churches did. Then one congregation dared to do it, and lightning didn't strike them or anything else terrible, so suddenly everyone had at least one morning meeting per KH. Before that, we had 3 congregations at our KH, and the Sunday meetings were at 1:30. 4:30 and 7:30, and they never rotated. OURS WAS THE 7:30 PM meeting on SUNDAY NIGHT!!!!
in recent years we have seen wtbts "new light" that has eliminated the prohibitions on alternative service, voting, and (perhaps) carrying certain types of identity cards.. given that the practices of standing for the national flag or standing during the playing of the national anthem have been condemned in print in the same paragraphs as the above mentioned new light, isn't it about time that standing for the flag/anthem will become a conscience matter?.
i would hope so, because not standing for these occasions is more than a little embarrassing for younger people still in school.
standing is merely a sign of respect and honor, and this is clearly allowed by scripture.
My family became JW's in 1950, when I was 5, so it's all I ever knew. In school, we could ALWAYS stand for the flag salute. I can't imagine where that person lived, where it was a disfellowshipping offense to stand for that!! We were told TO stand as a sign of respect but NOT to do the idolatry thing and salute it. Not to stand would have been a sign of disrespect. But, we had to promptly SIT if they played the National anthem afterwards, like at a HS graduation or something like that, sports, etc. That was changed in the late 60's or 70's. My cousin graduated High School in 1961, and there were two other JW's in her class of over 500. You could see all of them as they sat down, when the National anthem was played. They had all agreed on how they would do it ahead of time too, so at least they weren't alone, although scattered throughout the 500. As I recall, my brother stood, because he wouldn't be different. That was in 1958. No one cared. No one reported him. It was sure a different organization back then.
