Right on, Julia!
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Posts by Mum
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38JW Apolgist rant here...and confession.
by Julia Orwell ini really don't like people disparaging active jws on this site by calling them stupid, idiots, morons and that, and making out like they're willing puppets to the gb or cruel at heart.
or describing them like they're puke or as having no desire to learn or listen.. to you, all these things may be true.
we all have opinions and are entitled to them.
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Mum
You have no reason to feel anything but just fine. Remember how Bill Clinton didn't let them ruffle his feathers over Monica Lewinsky? You can cultivate that same attitude. Wayne Dyer would say you made yourself feel "like trash, worthless" because of what you told yourself about the people present at that moment.
Do not judge yourself based on what others think, do, or manifest. Believe in yourself, no matter what others tell you or try to make you believe. They're the jerks, not you.
Chin up! Carry on!
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Preaching
by pinkygal inwas wondering if the preaching work will end soon haven't they preached all over the earth yet?
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Mum
The end came in 1975, so I was certain that's when the preaching work stopped, too. What! Are we still in the old system/order? Oh, no!
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Unflipping believeable
by KariOtt ini just found out my sister in law gives each pioneer $50.00 every month to help cover their gas.
she wont take a .99 cent chapstick from me and when ever i attempt to do something for her she pitches a fit.
and my hubby still has the nerve to say that those who do not believe in their so called truth are not treated any differently than those who do believe.
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Mum
So misguided. What a pity!
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Life after death OR Consciousness after death?
by Space Madness inare we conscious after death?
if we don't understand why and how consciousness exsist now, how do we know it doesn't continue after death?
can consciousness survive the death of the body?
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Mum
As a poster on another board said many years ago, we are here by some random circumstance. Who is to say we might not end up someplace else at some point? Or not. It's in the unknowable category unless the deceased begin to communicate with us.
Seraphim 23: My mother told me that at the time of her grandmother's death, she was in bed. She felt something pulling at her shoulders. Also my niece dreamed of Princess Diana "in a long room" begging for the care of her children on the night Diana died. My niece said she woke up and thought, "Wow! That was weird!" Then she went back to sleep, and Diana was still there pleading on behalf of her children. There is no explanation for some things, but they make you wonder.
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Trying to overcome my homophobia.
by Julia Orwell ini had a music album by a gay guy before i was a jw and had no problem listening to it.
it's good music.
some of the lyrics are what you might call 'gay', that is there's some talk about boyfriends, gay bars, and queens and the intolerance the artist encountered as a gay man.
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Mum
All gay people are not the same. They, too, are individuals. What other people, heterosexual, homosexual, asexual, or whatever, do in their private lives (as long as it is not harmful to anyone) is their business. If you have some primordial need to feel animosity, it would be a good idea to transfer that to pedophiles who actually prey on children. The sex lives and sexual preferences of adults are their own business, not ours.
There used to be a television show in the U.S. called Northern Esposure. It was set in Alaska, hence the name. But I digress. On a particular episode of that show, they were grappling with the "issue" of homosexuality. One of the characters wisely stated something to the effect that "if you look at it rationally, we (heterosexuals) are the ones riding a motorcycle without a helmet down life's highway at a high rate of speed." The planet is overpopulated, a problem to which gays do not contribute. Many gays adopt children who need a home as well.
My cousin, now deceased, was gay. I, to my eternal regret, converted him to the JW cult. He was disfellowshipped. When I had to get away from my JW husband, he was the one who gave me a place to come to. I got to know his friends. I had more fun with those gay guys than anyone else ever! One of the most fun times was on Hallowe'en in 1979 when a gay friend took me to a gay bar and we all watched The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Hilarity reigned!
Blondie is right: you should expand your circle of friends to include all sorts. Once you learn to think of others as fellow human beings without labels, you're off and running.
Best wishes,
Mum
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Did having kids make your decision to leave easier or harder?
by Comatose ini was thinking about a few things confusedandalone said the other day.
i mirrored his thinking identically.
for me it was having kids that made my decision to leave an easier one.. if i had no children, i might still be in and just going through the motions.
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Mum
When my daughter was born, it changed me. I don't know if I would have ever gotten out but for my strong wish that she not have the same kind of life I did.
She doesn't.
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The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.
by Stand for Pure Worship inan average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.
on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?
not exactly working out for you guys.
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Mum
As I believe someone else pointed out, I don't think most of us here want a competition with the Watchtower. We simply want to live our lives our way, outside of a high control group. We want to be able to think, to be able to struggle with the questions to which there are no pat answers, to go on a picnic with our families on Saturday, to take a vacation without having to attend a convention, simply to live our lives as we see fit.
You have real competition. We are not it.
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Sheep and Goats
by ctrwtf ini'm lucky enough to live in a part of the us that many would call "pastoral.
" true to the label, i pass a small farm on the way to talking my daughter to school each day.
the other day i notice the owners had their small flock of sheep out to pasture along witha black goat.. for some reason i had a flashback to all the references the society uses re sheep, other sheep, sheeplike and goatlike etc.
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Another aspect of the "sheep and goat" mentality that is usually overlooked is that it stigmatizes left-handedness. The sheep are at the right-hand side, and the goats are on the left. Many members of my family, including my daughter, are left-handed, so I'm a little sensitive about prejudicial comments that suggest a connection with evil or inferiority.
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What are you NOT allowed to say as a Jehovahs Witness?
by The Quiet One in"one of the bible study was listening and singing the song by jason mraz titled lucky with the chorus going like this;.
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'i'm lucky i'm in love with my best friend.. lucky to have been where i have been.. lucky to be coming home again.. lucky we're in love in every way.. lucky to have stayed where we have stayed.. lucky to be coming home someday..'.
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Mum
Back in the '70's when Happy Days was a favoite TV show and I was rearing my daughter as a dub, my daughter said "Sit on it, Potsy" in front of me, two JW women and one of the women's smaller children. I laughed. One of the dear "sisters" turned to the small child, "That was a bad thing for B**** to say. Just because her mommy laughed, that doesn't make it okay," or words that meant exactly that. The real bummer is that I didn't defend myself or my daughter. What a dumbass I was!