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  just what am I supposed to believe now??

  by purrpurr in

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  while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.

  i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.

  this has left a huge hole in my soul.

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  Mum

  Personally, I think we all have to walk our own path and find our own belief system out of our own experiences.

  Once I was listening to "Science Friday" on NPR, and they were discussing belief in God. A Jewish Rabbi called in to the show to say that, in Judaism, it is not necessary to believe in God as "a Being," but as "Being itself." Think about that perspective as a starter.

  If I were in your place, I would read some books and take some classes. I took college courses in Old Testament Survey, New Testament Survey, Introduction to the Study of Religion, and Psychology of Religion. There are many different perspectives on God and religion. You might want to take a class in the History of Christianity if there is one in your nearest community college or university. In any case, there are books and internet info on the history of the church or any religion. You are like the fly that has lived in the vinegar jar and thought it was the sweetest place ever because you'd never tasted honey. Get out there and taste the honey!

  You are embarking on a journey of opening your mind to all sorts of possibilities. You decide.

  Best wishes!
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  Father denies children inheritance unless they quit Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Tiktaalik in

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  an article in the sydney morning herald:.

  http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/father-denies-children-inheritance-unless-they-quit-jehovahs-witnesses-and-become-catholics-20140810-102egl.html#ixzz39yziuuvf.

  "from beyond the grave, father-of-four patrick carroll continued a five-decade crusade to steer his children away from being active jehovah's witnesses and into catholicism.. mr carroll wrote into his will that his adult children were not to receive any inheritance unless they met two conditions: attend his funeral and become catholics within three months of his death.. mr carroll died in april 2012. his children attended the funeral but they did not become catholics and challenged the condition in the nsw supreme court in a bid to still receive their share of his estate.. but justice francois kunc last week ruled that mr carroll was entitled to place such conditions on his will.. the court heard that mr carroll's motivation was not so much about imposing his own beliefs but rather the fact he never approved of his children becoming jehovah's witness.. the court heard that mr carroll did not raise his children as catholics, neither he or they had attended church services when they were young and he did not enroll them in catholic schools.. but when he split from their mother lillian in 1959 she became a jehovah's witness and over the next decade the couple's four children, robyn, paulene, anthony and susan, were baptised as jehovah's witnesses.. mr carroll never approved of "their adherence to that faith", the court heard.. "[lillian's] conversion to that faith enraged mr carroll, who for the rest of his life continued to express his very strong objections to lillian's and the children's member of that faith," justice kunc said in his judgement.. the court was told that all four of his children remain active members of their congregation.. in his will, written in december 2011, four months before he died, mr carroll left more than a third of his estate to his four children "dependent upon them becoming baptised into the catholic church within a period of three months from the date of my death and such gifts are also subject to and dependent my children attending my funeral.".

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  Mum

  Joan Cetnar was written out of her family's will because she was a JW. She was one of the heiresses to the Kresge family dime store fortune.

  Many of you probably never heard of Joan Cetnar or S.S. Kresge. Kresge was the parent company of K-Mart.

  Joan Cetnar later left the JW's, but I believe it was too late to claim her share of the family fortune.

  If these kids (or adults) ever wake up, there might be much weeping and "gnashing of teeth." Wow!
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  It's my 25th yr anniversary of freedom

  by rebel8 in

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  approximately 25 yrs ago today, i left the borg forever.. .

  thank you jwn/jwd for helping me heal by listening to me.

  there are not many greater gifts than freedom..

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  Mum

  Congratulations! Happy Birthday of Freedom!
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses actually HATE?

  by clarity in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do jehovah's witnesses actually hate?.

  hatred (jwfacts).

  the direction given in the watchtower goes strongly against christian examples when demanding members hate an apostate.. *.

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  Mum

  In 1979, I came to realize that I had not become a better person as a result of being a JW, but a self-righteous, judgmental bigot! I had a war within. I determined that I was going to be better, kinder, less self-righteous and judgmental. I was also determined to take care of my mental health issues and educational deficits.

  Let them hate me. It's an honor.

  On a lighter note, I think apostates should start a business making placards that say "Ex-JW Human Apostates Live Here! JW's, avoid us!" We could sell these to householders who like to sleep in on Saturdays or who generally don't like to be interrupted by JW's. The profits could be used to start an education fund for apostates who wll need to earn a better living when they exit.
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  Your worst store accident?

  by Apognophos in

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  mine: i was walking around a grocery store with one of those snapple iced tea boxes dangling from one hand, looking for the other thing i ran in to buy.

  suddenly the flimsy cardboard side of the box came unglued, and bottles dumped out, smashing open on the floor.

  a river of iced tea began to run down the aisle.

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  When my daughter was small, we would go to K-Mart fairly regularly. Somehow, she would always get away from me, but I'd find her in the Toy Department. On one occasion, I went to the Toy Dept., but she wasn't there. I started to panic, wondering whether I should stay in the Toy Dept. because that was her favorite haunt, or if I should walk around the store looking for her. Then I heard a voice over the intercom system, saying, "There's a little girl at the Service Desk. She says her name is B-----. Will her mother come and get her?"

  I was grateful for her wisdom in finding the right place to report herself "lost," but was my face red!
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  Read any good books lately?

  by Berengaria in

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  well, have you punk?.

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  I just finished The Art of Racing in the Rain, which is narrated by the family dog. I enjoyed it immensely. Dogs are wonderful beings.
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  Is there any good (im serious) in this religion JW

  by dugout in

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  2. friends

  i know this has been talked about in the past but im new here..

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  Mum

  You're right, steve2. It's probably a wash when you consider the harm done to individuals on the inside, especially women and children.
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  Is there any good (im serious) in this religion JW

  by dugout in

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  2. friends

  i know this has been talked about in the past but im new here..

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  Mum

  It gives men who otherwise would be total losers an "opportunity" to be bigoted bureaucrats in charge of mind-numbed hordes of uneducated, poor, deluded people.

  Congratulations, Elders and MS's who, in the real world, could only be nobodies. But, wait a minute!

  Come to think of it, it might save lives. Random shootings are almost 100% perpetrated by white males who want to move up in society but lack the education of social skills to do so. JW's can give these potential murderers the illusion that they have achieved something and are big shots.
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  untitled

  by LogCon in

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  Mum

  Is this like one of those contemporary "works of art" I saw once on 60 Minutes - a blank canvas? There's also a musical "composition" which is 4+ minutes of listening to the audience breathing and coughing.

  Personally, I don't buy it. But, whatever floats your boat!
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  Indianapolis Assembly Hall Chorus AMAZING!

  by NoMoreHustle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is what wt has been producing, this had my bottom jaw on the carpet while i was watching (like the footloose one).

  and they say there different from other religions yeah right!!.

  i hope this link works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vahglagd2i.

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  Mum

  They were good, especially for JW's, and especially given the kind of music they had to perform. I grew up on Southern gospel music, which is full of feeling, spirit, life! This, to me, is the JWs' toned down, insipid version of that.

  From what I've seen posted on this board lately, there seems to be a lot more emotion in JW Land these days, as if they're taking baby steps to a more Pentecostal type venue for their meetings.

  I'm shocked, of course, but happy for those who got to experience a little pseudo-joy in JW music.