the quotes below just make me sick!.
look at these wicked mind-control teachings (which are like so many others)!.
*** watchtower april 15th 1995 issue ***.
Not all of us adopt the ways of our parents. Many people have risen above their upbringing to great achievement.
These quotations are interesting in that they make me wonder why JW's will go after children whose parents are deemed "wicked" by them. I was a child with "wicked" parents, but it didn't stop the JW's from converting me. Were they doing like the Nazis, getting as much work out of me as possible before my certain demise because of my parents' status.
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when i was in my congregation i found it to be a very selfish self spirited congregation,i also found many witnesses to be very easily offended and hyper sensitive oh and i forgot the gossip ohh the gossip was horrendous, this hyper sensitivity really got on my nerves because it was starting to rub off on me and i started to get paranoid and easily offended and i was never like that b4.. and what pi@@ed me off was the fact how brothers on the stage said how loving our congregation was and what a good reputation it was known to have.. but now i have left and im back to my down to earth happy personality.
There were two significant congregations in my JW experience. They seemed very different from each other, but maybe they weren't really. In the first congregation, I was a teenager, the only member of my family "in the truth." This congregation seemed fairly well educated and advanced for JW's. At the time, I was totally impressed with them because I was really stupid. There might have been just as much pettiness in this congregation as the one I was associated with later on, but I would have missed out on it because of my status as a "new one," without family ties within the org, and without access to the witnesses when they were dishing about the others.
The second congregation I spent several years at seemed to have a lot more strife, gossip, pettiness, downright meanness, ignorance, prejudice and downright poverty and despair, as well as more families with various problems. I was married to an elder, which gave me access to a lot of stuff I'd rather not have known. The elders were always sniping and gossiping in a way that I then believed was usually confined to females. It was the pits! I always thought I was sick. When I told my daughter about my imaginary illnesses during that time period, her response was, "Of course, Mom. You weren't allowed to say you were unhappy and that you didn't understand why life totally sucked."
Both congregations were probably standard JW congregations. How sad.
ok...so my mom calls me up right?
...and i'm like "yeah...i'm half asleep...blah.....yeah...blah....sure...disfellowshiped??????
whatchu mean i got disfellowshiped???
Congratulations! Welcome to freedom -- freedom to think, to feel your true feelings, to do what you like, to pursue your own talents, just to BE!
Glad you're on board. Look forward to more of your posts...
Regards,
Mum
they got a thread should christians wear sandals --- i want to know should they wear thong undies -- well is it unchristian??
which is more important and should a body worry about it day and night until one gets an ulcer ...queenie
Not if they have pagan or patriotic symbols on them! (If there's room for anything like that)
i think i may have a potential problem on my hand.
over the last year or so, i've been attempting to go the slow fade route with the jw religion.
for the most part i've succeded, as my significant decrease in jw related activities has been greeted only by brief "pep talks" by my parents at worse.
Is there any way you can have something else to do on the date of the "serious meeting?" Maybe you can become suddenly ill and need to go to the emergency room. Even if you can't avoid the meeting altogether, maybe you can arrange to have to be someplace else at a certain time, giving you an excuse to cut the meeting short.
Just tell them that you're going through a "bad patch" or something like that and reassure them of your unwavering belief in "Jehovah's organization" and apologize for your apparent inability to "live up to Bible principles" because of your "human weakness" and busy life. Just lay on the B***S*** and eat some humble pie, and as suggested elsewhere, rejuvenate your activity for a couple of weeks and start fading again.
Two years pass very quickly. Best wishes.
an open letter to bod at the london branch .
dear bod .
i have personal knowledge that one of your duties, at the london branch is to monitor this discussion board as well as freeminds and silentlambs .
The fact that there are WT spies monitoring this and other so-called "apostate" message boards is well understood. The real potential for harm is that there are very likely spies who monitor the sites that are restricted to JW's. They can't do anything more to us "apostates" but they are really cracking the whip over their own, making their lives a living burning hell.
What pathetic cowards! Why don't they get a life instead of fantasizing about an "everlasting" life as a JW robot!??
I thought they wanted to get their worthless publications into the hands of as many people as possible. Why don't they just brag about how their "apostate enemies" spread the good news unwittingly by posting publications on the internet? The fact that "apostates" distribute so much JW material may be the reason why "regular publishers" need only report 15 minutes each month now. My fellow apostates, keep preaching the good news of the (Watchtower robot) kingdom despite their ingratitude!
Sheesh! Try to help some people and they just don't appreciate it at all!
i would like to ask a question.
it is about "pessimism," verses "optimism.
" which are you and if one is pessimistic, how do you help change that?
What is a pessimist? An optimist with experience.
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
Mike, I didn't notice that you said you are not going to the march. I agree that you are overreacting. Are you "thinking" with feelings? What do you want to do that is so radical or disruptive? Disagreeing about the time frame is certainly a small matter. We all probably have different times we would like the march to be. Being orderly and keeping a lid on one's anger can only help the cause. As I said, I believe we all know what is appropriate.
my family will not be attending the march.
i respect bill and what he has accomplished, but i believe that attempts to control the march and the marchers, are misplaced -- even damaging for victims of abuse -- who have been controlled enough!.
the last thing victims of abuse need is to be told to keep up appearances.
I think Bill is still somewhat in "elder mode." It's hard to drop the JW mindset right away. It was hard for me even though I was not indoctrinated from birth as Bill apparently was. Most of us here have reached the point where we know what to wear, how to behave appropriately, and how to feel without anyone telling us.
We are entitled to our feelings and points of view, but we are not entitled to certain behaviors in public; but we are all (or most of us anyway) competent to know this.
