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  conscious of my spiritual need, what next?

  by stillhurts in

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  so once you leave, what next?

  have you found anything from a spiritual standpoint that brings you happiness and satisfaction?.

  have you been so scarred by the teaching that "all religions are wrong", that you can't see the truth anywhere?.

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  00DAD

  Welcome to the board!

  Great questions, really great questions.

  It's only natural after waking up and learning the truth about "The Truth" (TTATT) that you feel lost and confused.

  Someone once said on here that the WTBTS is good at creating athiests. After all, we were convinced that all other religions are false, once we learn that JWs are false too, what's left?

  But that once again if a false dilemma.

  Ultimately we all need to figure it out for ourselves.

  I know for me it took about a year to rexamine my beliefs. It was a long and sometimes painful process. I felt like I had to pick up each and everything I thought I knew and re-examine it to see if I still believed. It was pretty amazing how much ended up in the ash heap.

  When I was done I realized that I pretty much only still believed the things that I believed before I became a JW! So after more than two decades "studying the Bible" I hadn't really learned anything! Or had I?

  I learned that I had to rely on myself and that I could not trust anyone else to be the source of my "spiritual enlightenment."

  “Cherish those who seek the truth but beware of those who find it.” – Voltaire

  I learned that discussion and debate are good. I learned that there are a great many people that are wonderful, happy people living fulfilling, meaningful lives and they are NOT JWs!

  I learned that I can make friends that love me for WHO I am and not for WHAT I (pretend to) believe.

  I learned that I am going to be OK, and so will you.

  00DAD

  PS - Now it STILLHURTS, but it won't forever ...
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  "WT Publications are all propaganda!" admits the Awake! magazine

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read this lovely little admission and judge for yourself: .

  there is a differencea big differencebetween education and propaganda.

  education shows you how to think.

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  00DAD

  Cedars, great tag line. I think I'm gonna' use it!

  Lied2NoMore, Don't feel bad. Cedars has beat me to the post on several occasion. It'd be really annoying if if weren't for the fact that I know we're both playing for the same team!
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  "WT Publications are all propaganda!" admits the Awake! magazine

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  read this lovely little admission and judge for yourself: .

  there is a differencea big differencebetween education and propaganda.

  education shows you how to think.

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  00DAD

  Read this lovely little admission and judge for yourself:

  THERE is a difference—a big difference—between education and propaganda. Education shows you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. - Awake!, June 22, 2000, pp. 9-11 – [Emphasis added]

  So what is it? What DO YOU think?

  1. Do the WT Publications show people how to think, or what to think? (The answer is NOT in the paragraph. You'll have to think for yourself).
  2. Does the WT Leadersip encourage or discourage open discussion and debate about ideas and doctrine?
  3. Do the WT Publications ever accept input from their members or do they only " relentlessly force you to hear their view"?

  If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, what is it?

  
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  I need some advice please!!! I'm torn on what to do.

  by Gojira_101 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning i woke up thinking about a friend of mine, i will call her sara...here's some of the back story.. we grew up together and have always been good friends, even though we wouldn't stay in touch, we would just pick up where we left off.

  sara has always been different, and i never really knew what it was growing up, but i didn't care, she was my friend.

  so we lost touch for many years and then about 4 yrs ago when i went back to my home town, we reconnected.

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  00DAD

  Good. Keep us posted!
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  "They went out from us, but they were not of our sort..." - worst ever scripture to lead an anti-apostate talk?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the program for the 2013 convention series has been drawn to my attention.

  here is a link to it.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&output=html&pub=co-pgm13&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

  there is a saturday morning symposium on "apostates.

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  00DAD

  sd-7: To paraphrase Awake!, a good educator presents both sides of an argument and encourages discussion. Propagandists hammer hard on their point of view and discourage discussion.

  Do you mean this little jewel?

  THERE is a difference—a big difference—between education and propaganda. Education shows you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. - Awake!, June 22, 2000, pp. 9-11

  Or maybe this one:

  As The World Book Encyclopedia says, in a climate where ideas circulate freely, “propaganda differs from education.” - Awake!, June 22, 2000, pp. 4-8
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  "They went out from us, but they were not of our sort..." - worst ever scripture to lead an anti-apostate talk?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the program for the 2013 convention series has been drawn to my attention.

  here is a link to it.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&output=html&pub=co-pgm13&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

  there is a saturday morning symposium on "apostates.

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  00DAD

  T-shirts don't have beards.
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  "They went out from us, but they were not of our sort..." - worst ever scripture to lead an anti-apostate talk?

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the program for the 2013 convention series has been drawn to my attention.

  here is a link to it.... http://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=pdf&output=html&pub=co-pgm13&langwritten=e&option=trgchlzrqvnyvrxf&txtcmslang=e.

  there is a saturday morning symposium on "apostates.

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  00DAD

  The point of the scripture at 1 John 2:19 is in and of itself fairly benign. So some people left the club, big deal. They were "not of our sort." So what?

  The problem begins when those that leave are labelled as "apostates." Technically, anyone that leaves any group is an "apostate." But it's the highly negative connotation of the word that brands those that leave as more than just "not of our sort," but as defectors, evil and of course the WT's favorite, "mentally diseased."

  As if that wasn't enough, the WT leaders have decided to lay the groundwork of branding "apostates" as evil by beginning with a discussion of Satan. The implicit "guilt-by-association" is fairly obvious, but I expect the speaker will explicity make the point just to be sure no one misses it.

  This highly-charged, loaded language employed to manipulate is just wrong. In fact, it is evil.
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  Raphael Aron in The Age newspaper: Jehovah's Witnesses 'a cruel cult'

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this popped up on the age website today, might have to buy the paper tomorrow..... http://www.theage.com.au/national/jehovahs-witnesses-a-cruel-cult-20130315-2g5x3.html.

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  00DAD

  I think Mr. O'Toole is a myth.

  I'd love to get my hands on that weasel. I'm a mythbuster!
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  Yet another "Shunning is good for you, honest!" quote in the June 15th 2013 Watchtower

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi folks.

  that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.

  the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .

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  00DAD

  Nothing says, "I love you!" quite like complete and total shunning!
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  Part 1 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a while back we ran a "competition" whereby people could pose questions of candace conti and rick simons for them to answer in a video.. there were so many questions that we needed to do a series rather than just one video.

  this first instalment is now on youtube.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhvfefpig4a.

  here are the questions that were answered.... (to rick, asked by "exwhyzee") is there a possibility that part of the ruling, if you overcome the appeal, will be that the society must make an announcement outlining the details of the case to its members, as well as an apology to candace?.

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  00DAD

  Great job Cedars for posting this. Please convey my regards to both Candace and Mr. Simons!