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  Legal question

  by kenpodragon in

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  i work in a business that sometimes has teenagers purchasing or renting items from us.

  when they do so, we have to have a parent or legal guardian make the arrangements or sign any binding agreements.

  if we didn't, nothing would be worth the paper it was written on, as people under 18 can not enter into a legal arrangement on their own.. .

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  mustang

  The quote I referenced is the "classic" defense used by the WTS for any such matter. Other courts may decide differently and it would go against these principles. That matter may lie "dormant" and may not be pursued along these lines. These conflicts CAN exist. I would like to see those DF overturnings (which is a DIFFERENT MATTER THAN 'ANNULLING' A BAPTISM) court references, for research purposes, too.

  Usually the Secular Courts "hit the silk" with something like the above referenced "bailout clause".

  Mustang

  Edited by - mustang on 7 September 2002 3:44:35
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  Legal question

  by kenpodragon in

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  i work in a business that sometimes has teenagers purchasing or renting items from us.

  when they do so, we have to have a parent or legal guardian make the arrangements or sign any binding agreements.

  if we didn't, nothing would be worth the paper it was written on, as people under 18 can not enter into a legal arrangement on their own.. .

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  Dazed, Kenpo,

  Go to my post at the end of this thread and start there. It is a LONG READ. You will get the flavor of HOW IT REALLY IS IN THE LAW ARENA about Churches & Church Law. The EXACT quote I'm looking for may not be in that one. And I don't have the original source for it. JT posted it years ago on H2O. I'm sure he took it from a fight that the "Legal Dept." got into.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=28409&site=3

  Mustang
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  Legal question

  by kenpodragon in

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  i work in a business that sometimes has teenagers purchasing or renting items from us.

  when they do so, we have to have a parent or legal guardian make the arrangements or sign any binding agreements.

  if we didn't, nothing would be worth the paper it was written on, as people under 18 can not enter into a legal arrangement on their own.. .

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  ditto de la Farkel. I've got PAGES of precedents.

  Basically, this is a matter of Church Law. It is in the precedents that the Secular Courts "are not qualified to sit judgment on a matter that is normally left for a Religious Tribunal". That's where the DF'ings go out the window. The "courts of the land" "don't do windows and they don't do Church Law". They won't touch it, not with your body parts, not with theirs.

  Next, by the time most people complain of this, they are "past their majority" and have been baptized AND not complained or left after turning 18 or whatever. That "ratifies" the questionable decision.

  To add more problems to this, the Baptism may not be viewed as a Contract, strictly speaking.

  All in all, WTS skates on this one, big time. Essentially, even when you look like you have a case, the courts will declare it a "religious matter" and disqualify themselves.

  There ARE ways to fight such, but you are going to have to use picky technicalities TWO OR THREE LEVELS DEEPER THAN THIS and spend LOTS OF TIME, MONEY AND ENERGY. (Hint: "fight fire with fire".)

  The simple one on the top won't cut it.

  Mustang

  Edited by - mustang on 7 September 2002 2:42:32
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  finally got the nerve

  by livingagain in

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  i have been reading posts here for several months, which has helped me to keep from going insane.

  my doubts came when i finally got the nerve to leave a bad marriage, why did i stay so long.

  because i was ashamed and really scared of what "jehovah" would think of me.

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  Welcome "out" & welcome to the Forum!!!

  "I don't have any friends in this new city, and am scared to make any with "people of the world", boy they have done a number on me."

  Well, contrary to what you have been taught all this time: Friends are like GOLD - They are WHERE YOU FIND THEM!!! You could find the BEST-EVER FRIEND OUTSIDE of the JWs and the WORST INSIDE!!!

  "I want to live again after 27 years of someone else doing my living for me."

  Best lesson: LIVE FOR YOURSELF!!!! Believe it or not, that is the best advice, even if you stayed in the JWs. Of course, that would have you outta there in NOTHING+1 FLAT.

  "I wish I had known what I know now when I moved here I would never have gone to the meetings regular and never would have allowed myself to get close to them."

  Yup, thats the best way. A missed opportunity and unfortunately, we dont move that often. But, hang in there!!!

  Mustang
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  I hate thunderstorms....

  by butalbee in

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  i really hate thunder storms, must admit.

  i try not to hide in my basement anymore though, shuddering in a corner, reading a book by flashlight waiting for them to pass.

  unplugging all electrical applicances, telephone outlets, like a mad woman... looks like we're gonna get one tonight, it's getting closer to us, as per weather.com.

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  We don't have them in Southern California (much, 2-3 a year); we have EARTHQUAKES!!!

  We had a little one last night; I guessed the magnitude [4-5 bracketed the 4.6] and the location to w/in 10 miles, by 'feel'!!!

  Mustang
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  Pack your bags - we're going on a GUILT TRIP!

  by Scully in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35901&site=3 .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35828&site=3 .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35861&site=3 .

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  "You won't get life."

  Hey SS: "Missed a month of service? 'Techincaly you baptism became invalid'." Man, I wish!!! I'm over 300 baptism's worth!!! Anybody need any "months"???

  The Travel Agent from Hell booked me this Guilt Trip!!!

  Mustang

  Edited by - mustang on 4 September 2002 2:18:8
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  Is independent thinking a disphelowshipping offens

  by In_between_days in

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  yes, i know, im back........ kind of - it was a short retirement wasnt it?

  well, i had a discussion with a jw friend not long ago and i need some info.

  is independent thinking a disphellowshipping offense?

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  I favor the old Army motto: "BE ALL THAT YOU CAN BE!!!"

  What is the Borg motto?

  Mustang
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  Indestructible Computers Made From Rubber!!!

  by Celtic in

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  aghhhhhhhh!!!!

  i ruddy well hate computers sometimes, absolutely despise the damn things.

  i want to kick it in it's groin, give it a double left hook and then slam a right into it's midriff.

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  You fergot backing over it with a lorry.

  Mustang

  Edited by - mustang on 2 September 2002 13:41:24
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  Great talk at the KH today

  by searcher in

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  i went to a kh near me today, they had a guy from london bethel talking.

  he had some interesting things to say.. he did the talk in two parts, in the first half hour he was comparing 'this system of things with the titanic, and saying a lot about how the people on the titanic were carrying on normaly when the ship hit the berg.

  then he went on about people had to 1, believe that the ship would sink and 2, have faith that the lifeboats would save them.

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  Marilyn,

  I'm in SoCal, rihgt now. I have been to Asia (outside Mainland China) a few times & need to go there again. Try to contact me on chat.

  Mustang
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  Great talk at the KH today

  by searcher in

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  i went to a kh near me today, they had a guy from london bethel talking.

  he had some interesting things to say.. he did the talk in two parts, in the first half hour he was comparing 'this system of things with the titanic, and saying a lot about how the people on the titanic were carrying on normaly when the ship hit the berg.

  then he went on about people had to 1, believe that the ship would sink and 2, have faith that the lifeboats would save them.

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  Marilyn,

  I'm fond of saying that "I'm in my 8th year of 1st year Mandarin". Cantonese is by no means going away and I encounter more of them than Mandarin at times. It seems that most of the southern Chinese are "into Cantonese". Mandarin is northern, but official, so it is growing in all areas. It's a mixed bag, with Cantonese being practical and Mandarin working, too.

  For my money, go with Mandarin; the new generation will have familiairity with it from school. It is also easier to learn and follow. Cantonese has so much slang and "local effects" (about 110 versions of it) that it can't be doumented. It seems to me that the Cantonese don't publish much and let the "Mandarin's" do anything with the outside world in written form.

  But don't forget Hokkien/Taiwanese, Shanghaiese & the western language groups and a few others. Good luck. My girlfriend speaks 7 languages and occassionlly can't talk to some of them.

  The Chinese are really down to earth people. I expect the JW's will make real inroads there, if they get really going inot a "push". But the Chinese will have a surprise for them; they like to do things their way.

  Mustang