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"Mentally diseased" article to be published in The Independent tomorrow
by cedars inhi everyone.
as a parting gift to you all before i take a much needed break from this forum, i thought you would be pleased to know that the independent, a leading uk newspaper, will be publishing a piece on the "mentally diseased" watchtower article in tomorrow's edition.. i would like to thank everybody who has assisted the journalist, jerome taylor, in his investigation.. best wishes to all of you,.
cedars.
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It's BACK - the 2011 Global Survey of JWs!!
by cedars ini'm pleased to announce that despite some considerable teething troubles (of which many of you will be aware!
), the 2011 survey of jws is back on the road!
there is no need for any donations, so none will be asked for in any way, shape or form.
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It's BACK - the 2011 Global Survey of JWs!!
by cedars ini'm pleased to announce that despite some considerable teething troubles (of which many of you will be aware!
), the 2011 survey of jws is back on the road!
there is no need for any donations, so none will be asked for in any way, shape or form.
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cedars
2011 Global Survey of Jehovah’s Witnesses
Results as of 4 th October 2011 (88 days remaining)
Number of respondents: 552
Current status of respondents:
Active…………………..16.4%…..90
Inactive………………..34.7%…..190
Disfellowshipped….15.3%…..84
Disassociated……….25.5%…..140
Never baptized…….8%…..44
“Calling” of respondents:
Anointed*…………….3.9%…..14
Great Crowd…………34.5%…..125
Neither………………….61.6%…..223
Note, of the 14 who claimed to be of the anointed, 6 are active witnesses.
Reasons for leaving organization:
I broke a bible command……………………….9.2%…..25
I went against the policies of JWs………..15.1%…..41
I disagreed with the teachings of JWs….69.5%…..189
I would rather not say……………………………6.3%…..17
Positions of respondents:
Ministerial Servants…………………….6.5%…..30…..(17 are active)
Elders…………………………………………..3.5%…..16…..(8 are active)
Circuit Overseers………………………..0.0%…..0…..(0 are active)
District Overseers……………………….0.2%…..1…..(1 is active)
Branch Committee Members………0.0%…..0…..(0 are active)
Gilead graduates / missionaries…0.0%…..0…..(0 are active)
MTS (or BSSB) graduates………….0.9%…..4…..(1 is active)
Bethel volunteers……………………….1.1%…..5…..(1 is active)
Regular pioneers………………………..3.5%…..16…..(9 are active)
Special pioneers…………………………0.2%…..1…..(1 is active)
None of the above……………………..88.7%…..407…..(57 are active)
Beliefs/practices disagreed with (most contentious in bold):
Shunning…………………………………………………………….93.6%…..516
Blood transfusions………………………………………………88%…..485
Paedophilia – judicial matter rather than crime.92.7%…..511
Paedophiles not barred from serving as elders…83.1%…..458
Paedophiles – two witness rule………………………….88.7%…..489
Paedophiles - names kept confidential……………..85.7%…..472
Bible prophecy…………………………………………………….82.4%…..454
Governing Body as God’s sole channel……………..89.8%…..495
Governing Body – no contact with remnant……..75%…..413
Increasing light concept……………………………………..89.3%…..492
Stance on higher education………….………..94.7%…..522
Stance on extra-curricular sports……………………….88%…..485
Only anointed partake of emblems…………………….62.4%…..344
Treatment of women…………………………………………..75%…..413
Masturbation………………………………………………………..78%…..430
Birthdays……………………………………………………………..89.1%…..491
Beards………………………………………………………………….89.1%…..491
Apostates = mentally diseased…………………………..89.8%…..495
Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE………………………………82.6%…..455
Christ only a mediator for 144,000……………………80.9%…..446
Evolution……………………………………………………………..61.5%…..339
Others not mentioned………………………………..………29.2%…..161
Agree with Governing Body*………………….………….2.2%…..12
*Of the 12 who ticked that they agreed with the Governing Body, 7 appear to be genuine, based on their other entries on the survey. 5 evidently ticked the box mistakenly.
The UN / NGO Scandal:
Knew about it………..73.9%…..402
Didn’t know…………….26.3%..…143
Of the 143 who said they didn’t know, 18 were active publishers.
All comments are subject to review and will be posted separately if it is appropriate to do so.
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It's BACK - the 2011 Global Survey of JWs!!
by cedars ini'm pleased to announce that despite some considerable teething troubles (of which many of you will be aware!
), the 2011 survey of jws is back on the road!
there is no need for any donations, so none will be asked for in any way, shape or form.
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Anwar Al-Awlaki and due process any thoughts?
by MoneurMallard inrecently anwar al-awlaki was killed by the u.s. government.
he was a u.s. citizen, and no due process was given, he was just killed outright, no arrest, no trial, no court.. any thoughts?.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/3/al-awlaki-would-have-been-difficult-to-try-as-a-ci/?utm_source=rss_feed&utm_medium=rss.
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cedars
I do find it interesting that the whole concept of overt assassination without trial has now seemingly become acceptable almost overnight. Saddam Hussein received at least some semblance of a trial. Now we have seamlessly moved into a world where trials are superfluous if the person's notoriety or alleged crimes are deemed serious enough by the United States. As much as I hate terrorists and everything that they stand for, I personally feel this is a worrying development.
Having made this comment, I shall now be scanning the skies over my house for drones...
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It's BACK - the 2011 Global Survey of JWs!!
by cedars ini'm pleased to announce that despite some considerable teething troubles (of which many of you will be aware!
), the 2011 survey of jws is back on the road!
there is no need for any donations, so none will be asked for in any way, shape or form.
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cedars
Hi everyone
I'm pleased to announce that despite some considerable teething troubles (of which many of you will be aware!), the 2011 Survey of JWs is back on the road! There is no need for any donations, so none will be asked for in any way, shape or form. All we want are your RESPONSES!! Obviously, if you have already taken part in this survey, we don't need to hear from you again, and you should be blocked from entering anyway. However, if you haven't yet taken part in the survey, now is the time to do so:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/T7ZM5ZC
For those of you who are unfamiliar - the purpose of the survey is to gather as much information as possible about how current and former JWs TRULY feel about the Governing Body and its teachings. There is no reliable alternative way of gathering this kind of information, and we feel that a survey such as this, which will be conducted annually, should help to shed light on how ordinary members and former members of the faith genuinely feel about the organization, and its leadership. All responses to the survey are made anonymously, so you have absolutely nothing to fear from taking part. Once the responses have all been gathered, they will be published in a report for the attention of the Governing Body and the world's media.
Without divulging too much information prematurely, a very kind and technically-gifted member of this forum has come up with a solution whereby the survey will be able to continue indefinitely without any need for donations etc. The current surveymonkey survey will expire on 19th October, to be replaced by an identical FREE survey that will include all of the results that have previously been accumulated. An announcement will be made nearer the time with the exact details.
So far 537 responses have been gathered since the survey began on 19th September. I realise that this is a very modest figure, and for the results to be meaningful we need considerably more responses, however we have been hindered in gathering responses over the past two weeks for a variety of reasons, and hopefully now the main problems have been resolved we can proceed unhindered and gather as many responses as possible before the end of the year.
As before, I am interested in any feedback that you may have to offer. Helpful suggestions on this thread and previous threads will be used for a revised version of the survey which will be launched on 1st January for the duration of 2012.
I will be updating this thread survey with a summary of the results as they stand.
I think that's everything! If you have any comments or questions, please let me know!
Cedars
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Maybe we are perfect?
by angel.face ini'm relatively 'new' to the concept of thinking for myself....coming to the conclusion that what i thought was 'the truth' simply isn't brought on many questions for me.... i find it hard to let go of the idea that there is a god, but at the same time i question his existence.. .
just a thought that i had today which i would like to share: .
taking into account the universe and the perfect harmony that exists within it... think about the human body... some of the perfect harmony that we see in the universe we can see in the functions of our bodies.
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cedars
Philadelphia Ponos - thanks for raising that question, I meant to insert a link when I made that statement. Here is the relevant discussion on this board, which itself contains a link to the news article:
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"Mentally diseased" article to be published in The Independent tomorrow
by cedars inhi everyone.
as a parting gift to you all before i take a much needed break from this forum, i thought you would be pleased to know that the independent, a leading uk newspaper, will be publishing a piece on the "mentally diseased" watchtower article in tomorrow's edition.. i would like to thank everybody who has assisted the journalist, jerome taylor, in his investigation.. best wishes to all of you,.
cedars.
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cedars
There's an interesting sub-plot to the "mentally diseased campaign" unfolding on the following thread for those who are interested in the latest developments:
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watchtower will dissapear... now live your life.
by cyberjesus ini was watching this history channel show regarding the earth that was talking about the ice ages and the fact we live right now between ice ages and the fact that one is due soon (in several thousand years).... if you take the fact that our time is literally microscopic in the timeline of the planet....... and you realize we worry regarding the life span of the wt and when it is gonna end..... well we are wasting our time.
the wt is gonna dissapear.
trust me it will, along with all the civilization as we know them.... eventually all we have its gonna be gone.. so the question is... should we spend our precious minutes debating when the wt is gonna be gone?
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cedars
I'm glad that you're both positive and have found a way of life that contributes to your mental wellbeing rather than compromising it. That's pretty much all we can ask for. However, the title of the post is "watchtower will dissapear... now live your life". I agree that it will disappear, but I don't think it will happen by itself, and it will happen much more quickly if those who feel able contribute something meaningful towards its downfall. I don't see how making such contributions hinders me personally from living my life, although I will take heed of your warning that this could happen if I'm not careful enough. In the meantime, I want to do everything I can to bring this horrid cult crashing down sooner rather than later. The sooner it happens, the less people will get drawn in by it, including members of my own family in future generations.
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Did you have any Elders CO's/DO's that were "Hung up" on certain things????
by karter inwe had an elder that was hung up on mens haircuts he had a real thing about how short mens hair should be and even told one bro off for parting his hair down the middle.. even told one bro to shave off his sideburns.. a c.o who was paronoid about sound always telling the bro in charge off.. .
a d.o who orded the attendants to remove crying babys from assemblys on more than a few occations...hans hubler for those that know him..
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MrMonroe - you're spot on. Eldership does present a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for a nobody to become a somebody, and exercise influence over people that they wouldn't normally even dream of. The awful thing is, you don't realise how warped it all is (or how much you enjoy the power and prestige) when you actually ARE one.